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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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I have yet to see a free speech absolutist express concern about the government and media suppressing Gaza protestors or LGBTQ books being banned or anything else that affects the left. Doesn't seem very principled to me.

That's speaks more to your social and news circles more than anything. I see plenty of condemnation of the Trump administration from free speech activists for their actions against Gaza Protestors and LGBTQ book bans.

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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I'm open to reasonable criticism like yours appears to be. It's not wrong to mention past given that past has great chances of returning as future. Not just in US context, but in most electoral democracies. By not discussing issues objectively the article just reads like another NYT, MSNBC rant. Sure be my guest and go ahead but we know what the credibility of that approach is.

> By not discussing issues objectively The article discusses issues objectively. The article is about current events. The discussion is objective. Your desire to bring past events into the discussion is irrelevant. That’s not what objective means. Comparing things to other things is relativism, not objectivity. You’re just grasping at straws, but your arguments aren’t even logically consistent. I really don’t underst…

It's the authors choice to make it a current affairs discussion but it being an important constitutional, free speech one as they argue.

When there's two big parties both enjoying power in cycles, pretending that issues started on 21st Jan 2025 is not a clever way of convincing anyone other than the already converted.

As I mentioned, be my guest.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Not really clear what this article is about. If it's about using Signal app to escape FoIA it's odd not to discuss who actually started that or use of personal servers in basements & shredding mails when caught. If it's about the leak which was inadvertent even if a sack-able offence then that's nothing to do with 1st or any amendment. If it's about free speech in general, to have any trace of integrity, objectivity…

> Not really clear what this article is about. The article is quite clear: It’s about exactly what the title explains. I’m not sure how you would find it unclear unless you were skimming too fast to read it or you went in trying to find an angle to push a different agenda. > If it's about using Signal app to escape FoIA it's odd not to discuss who actually started that or use of personal servers in basements & shredd…

The right is now at loss because they are the party in power. Yet they try to hang on to their hate of Biden and Hillary and even Obama. But people can see that it doesn't matter how bad previous governments may or may not have been. What matters is how "good" the current government is.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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I think it's a mistake to think people are just oblivious. It's not a majority but there are actually a lot of people aware of these things and celebrating them. One thing I don't see mentioned a lot but Trump has made being a victim a fairly central part of his politics (him thinking all elections are rigged against him is a simple example of this) so this all makes sense as a sort of retribution. You can see the re…

Trump isn’t the source of that, but a manifestation of it. People are tired of, eg, systemic discrimination being forced on them by elites (euphemized “DIE”) or courts which have outspoken activists refusing to enforce the law against career criminals. They want it to stop — and since elites refused to onboard that correction, they rallied behind a strongman to punish them.

He's very very much not the source of this. It's been ascendant literally my whole life, my first foray into really thinking about politics was trying to convince my friends that humans caused climate change and there wasn't a conspiracy of climate scientists trying to trick them so they can get more grant money.

You can see him pretty clearly expanding on and exploiting those existing currents though. One of the ways he got big in American politics is his support of the "birther" movement where he was convinced Obama wasn't born in the US (which, to be clear, was a ridiculous claim and especially galling to me since my birth certificate is from the same hospital and looks almost exactly like his). His political persona gas always been tied to the idea this idea that people are lying and working against America even if he didn't originate the idea.

Edit: also tone is hard to parse on the internet so I'll clarify that this isn't really meant as an argument, it doesn't seem like we really disagree on what Trump's politics is about (even if we have different opinions on those politics). I mainly just wanted to clarify that I saw this long before Trump, even if he's now emblematic of it.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Any large organization that is subject to regulatory oversight can not simply choose to ignore the government when it expresses "a lot of frustration" and not expect retaliation. Selective enforcement and ambiguous rules are the very effective sticks that governments use all the time against whomever doesn't fall in line.

They've made clear cases where they refused government requests. Which cases ended in some kind of enforcement? It's hard for it to be selective prosecution when none of it ended in prosecution.

> Which cases ended in some kind of enforcement?

By design there's not going to be a direct link to a refusal and the retaliation.

For example, the government has a lot of discretion with something like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Trade_Commission_v._....

You don't want to be fighting an antitrust lawsuit against an administration that has a personal vendetta against you.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Not if we protest en mass and all stick together. The thing that will kill us is if we obey in advance and don’t do these things.

As far as I can see nobody is sticking by the F1 students who are being deported.

The deportations are just flashy cruelty to obscure everything else.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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If you ask Grok, it will point you to the source. But let me do that for you below. Original Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2v8g39z2ab1jo0waj6tn4/AJhMeQd... MR. BILL WHITAKER: And yet Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to be charting his own course. The Biden-Harris Administration has pressed him to agree to a ceasefire, he's resisted. You urged him not to go into Lebanon, he went in anyway. Does the U.S. hav…

Those links are the same. How do either of those help or hurt Trump?

fixed the link.

RE: How do either of those help or hurt Trump? I am not going to speculate that. But looking at the diff of the edit, anything of "substance" is removed from the response, and what remains is a non-answer.

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