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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by ben_w »

yyyk wrote: post #273
nextos wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, Mac OS X contributed decisively towards making Apple cool, which was followed by lots of boutique apps and the success of iOS. Loosing that critical mass of developers, even if it's a tiny userbase, would worry me if I was a top leader of Apple.

Apple has had a contemptuous attitude towards developers since.. the App Store? when the iPhone was out? The last two decades? They don't seem to care about this.

App Store was a big improvement for developers when it was new, relative to the alternatives.

The things it does may not seem important today, but back then even just my bandwidth costs were a significant percentage of my shareware revenue.

ObjC with manual reference counting wasn't much fun either; while we can blame Apple for choosing ObjC in the first place, they definitely improved things.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by saagarjha »

drunner wrote: post #265

Absolutely drives me nuts that I can't remove the music icon from the systray in Mac. And ditto on all the spotlight issues. Also, why does it take 10 seconds for activity monitor to show information? The list goes on. If only Mac hardware officially supported Linux, I would never touch that macOS again.

Can't you just drag it off?

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by bolognafairy »

yyyk wrote: post #273
nextos wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, Mac OS X contributed decisively towards making Apple cool, which was followed by lots of boutique apps and the success of iOS. Loosing that critical mass of developers, even if it's a tiny userbase, would worry me if I was a top leader of Apple.

Apple has had a contemptuous attitude towards developers since.. the App Store? when the iPhone was out? The last two decades? They don't seem to care about this.

This is a ret-con. If you - as a user - were philosophically and inherently against the App Store, then it may seem that way, I guess?

The reality is that there was a long period of time where Apple built up lots of goodwill with a developer ecosystem that exceeded by many orders of magnitude the pre-iPhone OS X indie Mac developer scene.

There were many, many developers that hadn’t even touched a Mac before the iPhone came out, and were happy with Apple, and now are certainly not.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by saagarjha »

jonhohle wrote: post #348

I know it doesn’t affect a lot of people, but pasting in hex mode in Calculator broke in Sequoia. Previously, any number pasted in hex mode was treated as hex (as expected) even if the number consisted only of decimal characters (say 20, which would be decimal 32). Now numbers pasted with only decimal characters are treated as decimal (pasting “20” turns into 0x14) and numbers with with at least one alpha hex char is…

I think they might have fixed this in the latest beta.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by bolognafairy »

syeare wrote: post #343
MichaelZuo wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the actual argument that will credibly convince the top leaders of Apple, to push fixing MacOS up the list of priorities? Because right now it’s clearly so far down, beneath dozens of other priorities, that expecting it to just happen one day seems futile.

The actual argument would be people voting with their wallets and moving away from the Apple ecosystem, but this something impossible at least in the USA due to these bullshit "blue bubbles"

This is absurd. You quite clearly don’t experience “blue bubble” envy yourself, because you’ve so obviously corrupted the sentiment, and argument.

Nobody is saying “gosh, macOS is so damned unstable, but I’ve gotta use it, because…blue bubbles on my iPhone?

You’ve just read some story about a company you already hate and are parroting it.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by Daneel_ »

canpan wrote: post #251
rcarmo wrote: post #53

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I have some hope that Framework and AMD can fix some of those issues. Would love to try out their new desktop (because it's a simpler, more tightly integrated thing) and replace my Mac mini -- then wait for Linux power management to improve.

Currently also looking at Framework+AMD. I want Mac hardware but Linux software. The other makers build quality is horrendous. Especially in the 13inch segment which is my favorite. Using a pretty old laptop because there is no replacement right now. The new Ryzen AI looks really interesting! Sadly there is no Framework shop for me to look at it and they not ship to Japan..

Thinkpad line from Lenovo. Amazing build quality, and you can order them with Linux.

I have a P1 Gen 7 and it’s fantastic. It feels premium, and it’s thin, light, powerful, has good connectivity and 4K OLED touch screen. I’d take it over Mac hardware any day.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by tastyminerals2 »

Sigh. I don't get the sentiment and the whole debate here. The author is clearly nitpicking (he is the first person who uses messages after all). But honestly, complaints about "arrange" screens button?

Nevertheless, he is probably right. Only the people who went through working on Windows, Linux both on cheap and expensive machines while dealing with all the "baggage" these environments bring can tolerate MacOS with leniency. I will never come back to anything else until I see a competitive offer from just anyone because what Apple offers is:

* Fast, silent, extremely energy efficient devices with excellent screens and audio.

* The font rendering. I honestly can't believe people who professionally work with text all their lives never mention it here. MacOS had and continues to have the best fonts and font rendering that is.

* Solid build that lasts (I own MacBook Pro and MS Surface Book 2 both from 2019 so I see how they age).

* A device that is ready to work when you open a lid or touch a keyboard button without any "waking up from sleep/hibernation" or freezing due to buggy video drivers and inability to work with GPU in hybrid mode OUT-OF-THE-BOX in 2025.

The above-mentioned is more than enough for me to tolerate any MacOS issues and the ones mentioned in the article are just laughable.

Apple offers you the full package that allows cross-device integration while Win/Linux users still rely on the Google stack or other third party "workarounds". Yes, no surprises here -- owning the hardware and software stack is a massive advantage.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by virtualritz »

It's curious how the author mentions iMessage. No Apple user among my friends in Europe uses that. Zero. I guess in the US this is very much not so.

It's all WhatsApp, Telegram and Signal here, nowadays. I.e. they wouldn't know about bugs in iMessage as they never open it.

I'd be curious to hear about other regions of the world. Do people there use iMessage?

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by tcldr »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #290
cjk wrote: post #286

As a former Apple employee that left in part due to declining software quality (back in 2015!), and the relentless focus on big flashy features for the next yearly release cycle, I could not agree more. I recently had to do a full reinstall of macOS on my Mac Studio due to some intermittent networking issue that, for the life of me, I could not pin down. Post-reinstall, everything's fine.

Also as a former Apple engineer.... I've explained in another thread how this kind of thing happens. It may be the same at other large companies. Bugs come in (via Radar) and are routed to the team responsible. Ever since Jobs came back (and Apple became valuable again) it has also become very much top-down with the engineers, for better or worse, not calling the shots. Just an obvious example — there are of course n…

It's crazy that marketing hasn't worked out that quality and reliability can be spun as a feature. In fact, I remember with OS X, that was the baseline word-of-mouth feature when the comparison was made with Windows at the time.

"It just works"

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by bolognafairy »

onli wrote: post #366
rcarmo wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have some hope that Framework and AMD can fix some of those issues. Would love to try out their new desktop (because it's a simpler, more tightly integrated thing) and replace my Mac mini -- then wait for Linux power management to improve.

What dou you mean with more integrated? It is a regular desktop PC with an apu (like is totally common for office PCs, just bigger) and soldered instead of upgradeable ram. It would be kind of funny, but also very sad, if Apple guys mistook the copying of apple's worst behaviour - producing throwaway devices - as a sign of quality. Though I think we are there for years now with phones, I wouldn't expect such thinking…

I really wish everyone would stop entertaining these borderline crackpot hypotheticals that all rely on the notion of “those damn Apple dummies not getting it!”

It’s absurd.

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