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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by throw919232156 »

anonfordays wrote: post #441
hulitu wrote: post #330

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> There is absolutely no requirement that the US has to get involved in every regional conflict in the world It is not a requirement, it's the implementation. There is a good reason why the USA was called "world policeman".

>There is a good reason why the USA was called "world policeman". And Europeans and leftist shit talked the US for it for decades. They called for the US to close military bases around the world, shit talked the amount the US spends on defense, etc. Now that the US is packing up and going home, the same people are screaming for the US to stay and continue being the exact thing they shit talked the US for. What a spec…

The US provoked the war, the US can finish the war. It is that simple.

Don't dump your wars and middle eastern refugees on the EU. What if the EU started a war in Mexico, drove 40 million refugees to the US, then left and let the US clean up the mess?

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

narrator wrote: post #187
jltsiren wrote: post #44

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It's one thing to stop all aid to Ukraine. That makes you an asshole in a world full of assholes. But it's another thing to do that while simultaneously working to restore relations with Russia. There is only one word for that: evil. Back in the late 90s to late 2000s, people in Western Europe generally had pretty negative views of the US. It was the country that refused to fight against climate change, launched an i…

We allied with Stalin in world war III, now that's evil. Putin will be a good ally against China, who is an actual threat to the United States.

Putin ally against China? He's the one who signed a "no limits" friendship deal with Xi Xinping. China and Russia are intimate trading partners and they have shared geopolitical interests. Why would he object if China wants to take over Taiwan or something?

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Post by jsnider3 »

lfmunoz4 wrote: post #435
wtcactus wrote: post #391

It’s appalling to see so many comments here defending what’s going on. I’m trying to take it in good faith and accept these people actually think this instead of being paid to spread Russian disinformation. So, for those that are in good faith, as an European, I’ll explain mine (and my close circle) position: It’s true that the USA doesn’t have any obligation of helping Ukraine and should be up to us, Europeans, to s…

Do you remember what happened when Russia tried to install missiles in Cuba? The USA put its foot down and was willing to have a nuclear war. Same thing is happening in Russia, making Ukraine part of NATO is just too close. Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

Making Ukraine part of NATO is just something Putin made up, not an actual thing.

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Post by dragonwriter »

lfmunoz4 wrote: post #435
wtcactus wrote: post #391

It’s appalling to see so many comments here defending what’s going on. I’m trying to take it in good faith and accept these people actually think this instead of being paid to spread Russian disinformation. So, for those that are in good faith, as an European, I’ll explain mine (and my close circle) position: It’s true that the USA doesn’t have any obligation of helping Ukraine and should be up to us, Europeans, to s…

Do you remember what happened when Russia tried to install missiles in Cuba? The USA put its foot down and was willing to have a nuclear war. Same thing is happening in Russia, making Ukraine part of NATO is just too close. Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

> making Ukraine part of NATO is just too close.

Ukraine (after abandoning efforts after the MAP rejection -- done at Russia's insistence -- in 2008) only started looking at NATO membership again after Russia invaded, so it is ludicrously disconnected from reality (but exactly representative of Russian propaganda!) to try to use that to justify the invasion.

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Post by ceejayoz »

nanotuber wrote: post #484
rapind wrote: post #395

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Everyone's about to get nukes now. What could go wrong.

Disagree with the implication here and expect the opposite. Ukraine peace (even an imperfect one) allows the US and Russia to work together to prevent Iran from getting a nuke. Ukraine won't get nukes in either scenario. An ongoing war forces Russia to rely on Iran, limiting its ability to work with US (and China), on isolating its nuclear program. DPRK nukes already exist and ROK is pressuring the US for permission…

> I don't know of any other latent nuclear states.

Japan is sometimes described as a "screwdriver turn away from a bomb". They've got the materials, the know-how, the civilian nuclear program, and the rockets... and the geopolitics to be interested.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

PeterStuer wrote: post #481
amarcheschi wrote: post #86

I know very well it's a drop in the ocean, you can donate to ukraine here https://u24.gov.ua/ You can decide how to allocate your donation, defense, demining, humanitarian aid (...)

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Yeah, trump should go fight in Gaza, right? Since he just sent Israel another 4 billion in weapons this week.

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Post by dragonwriter »

lfmunoz4 wrote: post #477
wtcactus wrote: post #444

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Do you remember that started because Russia already invaded part of Ukraine in 2014? Do you remember Russia’s promises when Ukraine voluntarily ceded their nuclear arsenal to Russia?

Not sure what the point you are making is? Should we just keep going back in history and try to cherry pick events to blame and justify current conflicts? That can go on indefinitely and is why we keep having wars.

The current war started with the 2014 invasion by Russia.

Claiming that the invasion of Ukraine by Russia is caused and justified by a thing which happened after and in response to that invasion is arguing for retrocausality. It is not "going back in history and cherry picking events" to point out when and how the current war started in a discussion of the causes of the current war, especially when an event that happened after and in response to the start of the current war is argued to justify the aggressor in the current war.

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Post by sriram_malhar »

PeterStuer wrote: post #481
amarcheschi wrote: post #86

I know very well it's a drop in the ocean, you can donate to ukraine here https://u24.gov.ua/ You can decide how to allocate your donation, defense, demining, humanitarian aid (...)

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If I was war loving, I'd be giving money to Putin.

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Post by sangnoir »

roxolotl wrote: post #218
aemu wrote: post #210

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Yeah, man. I have emigrated from Russia to EU five years ago and it is heartbreaking to see the developed US and some European countries go through the same bullshit we were going since 2011. Like half the country starts living in wild, completely imaginary world, and you can always tell what is the current agenda of the propaganda machine just by talking to some relatives who fell through that rabbit hole

I agree it’s a huge disgrace and half of the US is living in a fantasy land. However polls show that Americans don’t like Putin. A poll two weeks ago[0] actually showed 81% of Americans do not trust Putin. Finding 81% agreement about anything is hard. This is something that is unique to the administration and those who deeply agree with what it’s done. Not that it matters… clearly people don’t care enough to vote for…

> However polls show that Americans don’t like Putin.

Out of that 81%, how many believe in appeasing Putin to "Avoid world war III" despite their animus? Too many, IMO, and Putin doesn't care for how the American populace feel about him personally, as long as he can achieve his foreign policy goals without hindrance from American bombs, intelligence or funding, which has become the status quo as of yesterday.

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Post by 542354234235 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #442
kgwxd wrote: post #382

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Then why did they vote against themselves, family, friends, community, city, country, and other countries? Uneducated people make uneducated votes. Privileged people get it, they just want you to be more educated, but you keep voting against that too.

Regular blue collar working class people from less developed areas don't want to be lectured by privileged big-city people that they're uneducated and only they know better than them what the correct candidate to vote for is. That patronizing attitude you showed is exactly the one the Democrats had and is exactly what got Trump elected. Until their attitude changes they will keep losing votes out of sheer spite.

>why did they vote against themselves

>they will keep losing votes out of sheer spite

Well, I guess that is the answer. You may not look good without a nose, but you sure taught your face a lesson.

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