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Post by lr4444lr »

3D30497420 wrote: post #444
huijzer wrote: post #406

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> From China’s perspective, the cost of war is much higher than the cost of developing these chips themselves. For China it’s not about the chips. It’s about getting rid of the humiliation that is having a small island, that was originally part of China, not be a part of China.

And also a vibrant democracy, potentially serving as an example (foreign and domestic) that alternative political systems are an option and perhaps even desirable. I have a strong impression there are similarities with Russia and Ukraine. Having a neighbor with a similar culture and overlapping histories that also has independent, democratic government was likely viewed as a direct threat to the Putin regime and one…

1) The USA does not have launchable nuclear weapons in neighboring countries to Taiwan that necessitate a buffer

2) Taiwan does not represent unprotected border territory. Heck, attacking it sustainedly would require significant and slow naval logistics

3) Other than human intellect, there is little in the way of natural resources to obtain out of Taiwan. It's economy is manufscturung and export driven.

Other than some nationalistic pride to recapture teritority, they are not much alike.

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Post by mik1998 »

UltraSane wrote: post #484
jonkoops wrote: post #465

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A 'small' island with one of the most successful and thriving democracies in the East, that has world class industry. China cannot have a successful democracy on their doorstep, it undermines their perception of absolute Chinese superiority.

This seems like one of Putin's motivations for invading Ukraine. He couldn't stand having a prosperous Ukraine aligned with the EU and the US that could foment discontent inside Russia.

Ukraine is far poorer than Russia.

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Post by alephnan »

lr4444lr wrote: post #501
3D30497420 wrote: post #444

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And also a vibrant democracy, potentially serving as an example (foreign and domestic) that alternative political systems are an option and perhaps even desirable. I have a strong impression there are similarities with Russia and Ukraine. Having a neighbor with a similar culture and overlapping histories that also has independent, democratic government was likely viewed as a direct threat to the Putin regime and one…

1) The USA does not have launchable nuclear weapons in neighboring countries to Taiwan that necessitate a buffer 2) Taiwan does not represent unprotected border territory. Heck, attacking it sustainedly would require significant and slow naval logistics 3) Other than human intellect, there is little in the way of natural resources to obtain out of Taiwan. It's economy is manufscturung and export driven. Other than so…

> Other than some nationalistic pride to recapture teritority, they are not much alike.

To add, Taiwan uses traditional Chinese and is more conservative to traditional Chinese culture. China abandoned all of that during the cultural revolution. There's been a recent nationalist push to embrace "traditional" Chinese identity, involving mainand Chinese people going to sites in Japan and elsewhere wearing "traditional" Chinese clothing. Imagine the nationalistic outrage if someone wore a kimono in China. In practice, these traditional Chinese clothing are cheaply made cosplay from Taobao

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Post by alephnan »

raducu wrote: post #492
cookiemonsieur wrote: post #442

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Keep that same energy with israel then.

I bet you're located in the USA? Because nowhere else in the world would anyone even think that somehow logic, sanity and common sense should be suspended just because Israel is mentioned in a conversation.

> I bet you're located in the USA? Because nowhere else in the world

CCP and internet police are much more likely to use this logic than anti-Israel Americans. If they were, in fact, an American that was anti-Israel, they wouldn't be so riled up about defending the CCP first and foremost. I'm reminded of the island of Truth Teller and Liar problem: https://sites.millersville.edu/bikenaga/math-proof/truth-tel...

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Post by seunosewa »

mik1998 wrote: post #502
UltraSane wrote: post #484

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This seems like one of Putin's motivations for invading Ukraine. He couldn't stand having a prosperous Ukraine aligned with the EU and the US that could foment discontent inside Russia.

Ukraine is far poorer than Russia.

He would like to keep it that way.

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Post by kelipso »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #479
ein0p wrote: post #418

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Watch _the whole_ press conference, the entire 53 minutes, not the carefully selected morsels that CNN prepared for you in order to mislead. Zelensky failed to read the room, and 23 minutes or so into the conversation he started to self-immolate, something Trump and Vance gladly helped him with.

I'd watched the whole thing live when it happened. I went back and watched from around 21min in to see what self-immolation you mean. Sequence of events - Trump downplays the need for security guarantees. "Security is maybe 2% of the problem, security is the easy part, I'm worried about getting the deal done." A "reporter" from OAN asks a kiss-ass question that can be summarized as "President Trump, how amazing and c…

Problem with this is a misunderstanding of what a press conference after a private discussion is supposed to be about. Zelensky was trying to negotiate and argue during the press conference, with the entire world watching. All the details about Trump not wanting security guarantees would presumably have been decided during the private meeting but Zelensky basically tried to argue his case with the media. That would irritate pretty much anyone.

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Post by seunosewa »

UltraSane wrote: post #495
nmeofthestate wrote: post #476

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Can we really be sure what the new 2025 version of the US would do in such a scenario? I highly doubt the new US is going to intervene in defence of any of its erstwhile allies.

Trump's extreme unpredictability might actually be a advantage in this scenario.

He has been predictable in his handling of Ukraine and Israel. He favours the aggressors. He's also predictable in isolationism and wanting manufacturing moved back to America. None of this bodes well for Taiwan.

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Post by spiderfarmer »

mik1998 wrote: post #502
UltraSane wrote: post #484

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This seems like one of Putin's motivations for invading Ukraine. He couldn't stand having a prosperous Ukraine aligned with the EU and the US that could foment discontent inside Russia.

Ukraine is far poorer than Russia.

True, but Ukraine was on a very great trajectory, just like the baltic states. They were all proof that you don’t need the Russian federation.

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Post by altacc »

drstewart wrote: post #447
imhoguy wrote: post #292

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My European gut feeling for a few years now is that Taiwan will be given...cought....sold to China, once all critical stuff is made on USA soil.

Why won't European or Canada or Australia defend democracy and provide Taiwan security guarantees and protection?

Because there's a big difference between the situations and you can't really judge a theoretical situation against an ongoing reality. Ukraine is an active war whereas Taiwan is a stalemate of sabre rattling and diplomatic posing. We don't know what each country will do if China invades Taiwan and this is part of what stops it happening.

The security guarantees for Ukraine stem from a 1994 agreement that assured some ex-USSR countries that they could safely give up their nuclear stockpile in return for guarantees that their sovereignty would be protected.

Europe supports Ukraine because it is in Europe, European countries were part of that agreement and European countries do not trust Russia. Not counting Belarus, there's 7 countries with direct borders to Russia, 4 of which used to be part of the USSR, 1 of which is being invaded and the other 3 wonder if they're next.

Whereas Taiwan is not in Europe and doesn't have any historical agreements with European countries.

Canada & Australia have cultural, racial and historical ties to Europe, so it is understandable they often align with Europe.

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Post by XorNot »

cycomanic wrote: post #469
cookiemonsieur wrote: post #428

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If we want to argue historically, is it not more that the Taiwanese government is a more direct successor of the historical China? So maybe China should really be part of Taiwan? Or should it belong back to the Japanese? Just goes to show how ridiculous arguments by "history" are.

"history" is what's trotted out when the right of self-determination needs to be ignored.

As though a people have no right to change their minds about their affiliation or government.

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