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Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by zombiwoof »

bondolo wrote: post #390

While I worked at Apple in 2021-22 their issues seemed about the same as nearly every other company producing consumer apps and devices; bloated slow garbage with very mediocre quality. Their engineering culture is terrible, especially as it relates to transfer of the “Apple ethos” to the next generation of devs. Apple is going to be indistinguishable from the rest of the pack within the next decade. But most of all…

Agreed I was there at that time. I was in two different “orgs” in my 5 years, SWE and AI/ML

I saw poor management (lots of ex Amazon) running new grads/jr engineers into the ground (features features)

It’s all about new features. If anyone with experience expresses an idea to address technical debt they are literally put on PIP

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Post by int_19h »

webdever wrote: post #338
pico303 wrote: post #331

As someone forced to use a Windows laptop for work with the new job, I've stopped complaining about my Mac. It's so much worse on the other side of the fence... Working on Windows makes me appreciate the Mac ecosystem so, so, so very much.

As someone who works on both I don't notice a difference. Mac sucks just as much as Windows (or visa versa). There's things each does better and things each does worse.

Until fairly recently, I would have agreed, but Microsoft is actively enshittifying Windows now by pushing things like cloud-only logins and ads in Start while simultaneously removing configurability (e.g. vertical taskbar was removed in Win11). I'm not a fan of macOS, but at least Apple is not all in on ads the way Microsoft seems to be these days.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by zombiwoof »

zombiwoof wrote: post #501
bondolo wrote: post #390

While I worked at Apple in 2021-22 their issues seemed about the same as nearly every other company producing consumer apps and devices; bloated slow garbage with very mediocre quality. Their engineering culture is terrible, especially as it relates to transfer of the “Apple ethos” to the next generation of devs. Apple is going to be indistinguishable from the rest of the pack within the next decade. But most of all…

Agreed I was there at that time. I was in two different “orgs” in my 5 years, SWE and AI/ML I saw poor management (lots of ex Amazon) running new grads/jr engineers into the ground (features features) It’s all about new features. If anyone with experience expresses an idea to address technical debt they are literally put on PIP

I will point out I was at Google for a similar length of time and saw nothing but amazing code, yet the problem was is building anything but the ads money maker.

If there was a way to combine Apples magic marketing brainwashing with Google’s engineering it would be an amazing thing to watch

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by herpdyderp »

dandellion wrote: post #342
pico303 wrote: post #331

As someone forced to use a Windows laptop for work with the new job, I've stopped complaining about my Mac. It's so much worse on the other side of the fence... Working on Windows makes me appreciate the Mac ecosystem so, so, so very much.

I know the feeling. I'm forced to use a Mac laptop for work, and it's really made me appreciate Linux.

I was forced to use a Linux laptop for a work once. It actually managed to make me appreciate Windows!

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by colonelspace »

roody15 wrote: post #268

When you upgrade MacOS 15.3.0 apple automatically enables Apple intelligence and then turns on Apple intelligence reporting (15 min intervals) by default. You are not prompted or asked to enable. After disabling Apple Intelligence when you do the next mini update to 15.3.1 Apple intelligence is enabled. Again no prompt and your previous choice to disable is ignored. This IMO is a bad sign for Apple software quality.…

True Tone is also turned on after every OS update.

This is particularly annoying when you calibrate your screen for some modicum of colour accuracy.

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Post by int_19h »

dismalaf wrote: post #353
forrestthewoods wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is great. Windows laptops are universally garbage.

They become a lot better when you install Linux.

Well, except for battery life.

Hardware support also varies from laptop to laptop. If you want one to run Linux without a hassle, you have to shop around for that specifically.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by thrdbndndn »

bondolo wrote: post #390

While I worked at Apple in 2021-22 their issues seemed about the same as nearly every other company producing consumer apps and devices; bloated slow garbage with very mediocre quality. Their engineering culture is terrible, especially as it relates to transfer of the “Apple ethos” to the next generation of devs. Apple is going to be indistinguishable from the rest of the pack within the next decade. But most of all…

> It was designed by people who don’t even know what it is for.

This rings especially true with Windows.

There was a not-so-serious rumor that the whole MS design department uses Macs.

This may or may not be true, but recent UX changes make it clear that the designers don’t really use Windows beyond a superficial level. Many common interactions have become increasingly tedious and visually sluggish, both due to excessive animations and performance issues. Explorer in particular has become barely usable for anyone who frequently manages files.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by bgschulman31 »

tbeseda wrote: post #27

Anecdotally, Apple Music has deteriorated exponentially for me. iTunes was such a stable, usable piece of software, but I can't get reliable use out of Apple Music for the life of me. It _feels_ like a shoddy Electron app. But that's not fair to the actual Electron (or similar) apps that actually work. For all its many design and product flaws, Spotify actually works.

I canceled my Apple Music subscription a few years ago after leaving the app open for long times would heat up my computer and use 100% of the cpu. It no longer feels like they have the "it just works" feeling they used to in all of their software.

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Post by chintan »

The iOS Mail app has gotten so bad. It shows errors for no reason whatosover. The other day I typed a message and hit sent (and status showed all synced) but it was not sent and not even in draft.

Any recommendations for an alternative?

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by LeoPanthera »

SSLy wrote: post #188
criddell wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Apple Music on my Windows work computer and it's pretty good. I still have iTunes on my home Windows PC (I use it for ripping CDs) and it takes much longer to start.

> I use it for ripping CDs may I introduce you to cyanrip or EAC? https://github.com/cyanreg/cyanrip https://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/index.php/resources/downloa...

Thank you for introducing me to cyanrip. Rare to see a ripper that supports HDCD and doesn’t require me to decode them manually with ffmpeg.
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