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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by alt227 »

pmontra wrote: post #400

> When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information, Taken literally it means that when I use Firefox to upload a file to a customer's web site Mozilla is getting that file too, which does not seem likely. They could get a copy of the text I'm typing right now in Firefox or it means that the browser could do some local pro…

As the browser runs locally on our machine, surely its possible to just block firefox phoning home by DNS black holes or even hosts file or something?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by account42 »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #91

firefox is an open source software, i know it's great to bash it with the many questionable decisions they take but at the end it's still the least worst web browser and no one is entitled to having a free, ads free and privacy respecting web browser. the author shows that mozilla royalty-free, worldwide license TOS change is now similar to what google always had with chrome. To me as long as i understand the busines…

> no one is entitled to having a free, ads free and privacy respecting web browser

I disagree. As governments and society at large are increasingly requiring you to be online for basic tasks we do owe it to make sure people have a user agent that doesn't come with strings attached.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by kome »

mort96 wrote: post #385
ivolimmen wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LibreWolf? It's Firefox without the Mozilla branding

I switched to LibreWolf over this, and it's good so far. A couple of things: * I had to switch off the fingerprinting protection. For me, running at 60 FPS and without automatic CSS dark mode detection isn't worth whatever fingerprint resistance it provides. Sadly, you don't have granular control over RFP, you have to turn it off entirely. * It doesn't have Google Search available by default, but it turned out to be…

honestly, at this point it makes sense to use vanilla Firefox for you, that offers exactly what you need and it's still quite good about privacy.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by skeledrew »

Hmm it seems to me a viable solution (at least for the more tech inclined) is to just firewall it so it's unable to call home (although then there's an extension sourcing issue). Unless there's more of a philosophical stance. Or am I missing something else?

I've been a mostly happy Firefox user since v2, and have made it through - though will never forget - the extensions system "upgrade" debacle and more. As long as I have means to maintain reasonable control, I'll continue with it into the foreseeable future, because I consider the Chromium-based alternatives to be worse.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by KingMob »

KoftaBob wrote: post #447

Time to switch: https://librewolf.net/

These FF forks will all be nonviable within a few years of Mozilla going under. Google and Apple will keep moving the web (for better or worse), and these forks will be unable to keep up for lack of resources.

Whether they get relatively slower, or just can't support some new web tech, the writing will be on the wall.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

createaccount99 wrote: post #411
rich_sasha wrote: post #382

It's all so strange. I would happily buy Firefox, either as a one off, or as an annual license, and be done with all the weird license nonsense - presumably they want to sell data to pay the bills. But instead the choice, realistically, seems to be between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla. And Chrome works marginally better... :/

Sigh. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Mozilla's situation. The "weird license nonsense" you're vaguely gesturing at doesn't even make sense in context. Firefox is open source under MPL 2.0. Your framing that "the choice is between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla" creates a false equivalence. Even with their recent privacy policy changes, Mozilla's approach is structurally different from…

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by procaryote »

nbzso wrote: post #435

Apple removed encryption for iCloud users in UK. I don't see the outrage on HN why?

Misleading framing.

Apple removed encryption for iCloud users in the UK rather than pretending to keep it while giving the UK a backdoor.

In this, Apple was the good guy and the UK the bad actor.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by jorams »

BSDobelix wrote: post #491
LeChuck wrote: post #330

It's fascinating how any Firefox thread here inevitably devolves into accusations that Mozilla has abandoned users and a push to switch to alternatives, despite Mozilla working in the interest of users to a infinitely greater degree than any other major browser vendor.

>despite Mozilla working in the interest of users to a infinitely greater degree than any other major browser vendor. Obviously not anymore, it's a add company now. But at least they have "cool" party's in Zambia.

> it's a add company now

Note that "any other major browser vendor" is a short list of ad companies with a much worse track record.

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