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Grok3 Launch [video]
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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think anyone who's paid attention to the LLM scene will give them any “credit for catching up fast” as it has been pretty obvious for the past two years that all it takes to reach the state of the art is a big enough GPU cluster. Deepseek made the news because how they were able to do it with significantly less hardware than their American counterparts, but given that Musk has spent the last two years telling…
This severely underestimates the talent still required. Deepseek didn't come out just because it's cheaper, it came out because a very talented team figured out how to make it cheaper.
For Deepseek, I'm not saying otherwise, quite the opposite.
But Grok hasn't shown anything that suppose the level of talent that Deepseek exhibited.
Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
#503I don't know, but I found the recording uninspiring. There was nothing new for me. We've all seen reasoning models by now—we know they work well for certain use cases. We've also seen "Deep Researchers," so nothing new there either. No matter what people say, they're all just copying OpenAI. I'm not a huge fan of OpenAI, but I think they're still the ones showing what can be done. Yes, xAI might have taken less time…
Seems like the opinion of someone who doesn't know that OpenAI cloned Anthropic's innovations of artifacts and computer use with their "canvas" and "operator".
and Gemini's Deep Research
Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
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Yes, I couldn't have imagined that in the end, the AI wrappers are where the money is.
What if the money isn't there either? What if this AI thing lowers costs of everything it touches without generating meaningful financial returns itself?
Lowering costs is pretty valuable. People will pay for that. Everyone will pay for that. It may be that margins go razor thin but outside of running your own instance locally (which is increasingly viable for mid quality & requirements on modest HW) people will pay. I’m not surrounded by early adopter types at all abd there’s still a small but growing chunk paying $20/mo right now.
Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
You'd still need a fairly large amount of compute power to be able to run DeepSeek R1 locally, no?
Well yes, but not so large that it's completely prohibitive. People have been running the full models on computers going as low as $6000: https://x.com/carrigmat/status/1884244369907278106 Of course this is for a personal instance, you'd need a much more expensive setup to handle concurrent users. And that's to run it, not train it.
Sortof a letdown that after 24 32Gb RAM sticks you only get 6-8 tokens per second.
Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
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The impression seems to be warranted: Grok 3 has directly jumpted to the top of all leaderboard categories in Chatbot Arena: https://lmarena.ai/?leaderboard In math it shares the top spot with o1 and is just a few points behind (well within errors). In creative writing it is basically ex-aequo with the latest ChatGPT 4o and in coding it's actually significantly ahead of everyone else and represents a new SOTA.
Considering that OpenAI subscription is $200 per month, and "Premium Plus" subscription that includes this thing is only $40 per month, does that mean instantaneous "Elon factor" is now at least -$160 per month per user, or is it supposed to be added up to more than -$240 per month? How would the math change after factoring in that OpenAI isn't even covering entirety of opex with the sub anyway, and/or people finding…
Masa Son top ticks a market is somehow still news in 2025.
Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
#507Earlier quoted context omitted.
The impression seems to be warranted: Grok 3 has directly jumpted to the top of all leaderboard categories in Chatbot Arena: https://lmarena.ai/?leaderboard In math it shares the top spot with o1 and is just a few points behind (well within errors). In creative writing it is basically ex-aequo with the latest ChatGPT 4o and in coding it's actually significantly ahead of everyone else and represents a new SOTA.
Considering that OpenAI subscription is $200 per month, and "Premium Plus" subscription that includes this thing is only $40 per month, does that mean instantaneous "Elon factor" is now at least -$160 per month per user, or is it supposed to be added up to more than -$240 per month? How would the math change after factoring in that OpenAI isn't even covering entirety of opex with the sub anyway, and/or people finding…
Given how fast-moving the field is, it's very difficult to confidently state how much inference costs. Perhaps he's under-charging, perhaps OpenAI is over-charging, one may be more optimised than the other, but new models come out and change everything in less time than is normally takes for actual costs to become public knowlege.
Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only plausible explanation for the amount of resources poured into these language models is the hope that they somehow become the origin of AGI, which I think is pretty fanciful. I can feel the cold wind of the next AI winter coming on. It's inevitable. Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior, people get excited that it's around the corner, and the hype boils over. This isn't the last time this will…
I predict this comment will age very, very poorly. Bookmarked.
I feel like 50/50 chance of his or your comment aging poorly.
Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
#509Grok has gotten to the top of one benchmark: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1891706264800936307 It's been said before but it is great news for consumers that there's so much competition in the LLM space. If it's hard for any one player to get daylight between them & the 2nd best alternative, hopefully that means one monopolistic firm isn't going to be sucking up all the value created by these things
Probably bad news for the vendors, though. I genuinely struggle to see how most of these LLM companies are going to monetize and profit off their efforts with LLMs already in commodity territory. Government contracts can only flow for so long?
> Government contracts can only flow for so long?
I wouldn't bet on that, given the undemocratic influence Grok's owner has in government.
Re: Grok3 Launch [video]
#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
Naive question from a bystander , but since DeepSeek is open source and is on par with o1-pro (is it?), shouldn't we expect that anybody with the computer power is capable to compete with o1-pro?
The full-sized DeepSeek-R1 is on par with o1. o1-pro is "o1 on steroids" and was the first selling point of the $200/month Pro subscription but they later also added "Deep Research" and Operator to the Pro subscription.
Every year seems like we get worse at naming things in non confusing ways. I am waiting for the o1-pro-max now, pro max ultra and pro max ultra plus.