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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by tomcatfish »

g_p wrote: post #312
dizhn wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real privacy oriented solutions REMOVE their ABILITY to keep your data. This is the reason I will probably never use Kagi. I am not logging into a search engine. Period. (I know this is futile,but it's the principle of the thing. And I don't want this to be more commonplace than it already is.)

You might find Privacy Pass of interest then - https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html It should be out in the next day or so.

Holy crap this is going to let me move some privacy-focused folks over to join me in Kagitopia. Good job guys, you are always working on something cool.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by fastball »

bayindirh wrote: post #491
fastball wrote: post #331

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The status quo is equal footing. Profits and companies are not being put over people when you require people to cancel a subscription that they created. To claim that is to assign almost zero agency to "people". Forcing companies to do this would absolutely be putting people over profits and companies, however.

> The status quo is equal footing. Depends. When you remove the "1-click cancel" mandate, it's profits over people, for example. We had this. You had to fax the company a petition for cancellation before 7 to 2 days to renewal, and call them too to set this in motion. If you fail, you can try next year . Now, they have to integrate with e-gov, and I can cancel my membership from e-gov with one click. If the integrati…

Yes, I am saying all this in full agreement that there should be requirements for cancellations to be as easy as subscribing, which we have. That said...

Companies are a collection of people. They are not your slaves either.

Saying "I want there to be a mandate that companies auto-cancel my subs if I don't use them" can be re-phrased as "I want a developer somewhere (or a team of them) to be forced (under threat of punishment) to write a bunch of code so that I don't need to do something which is very arguably my responsibility".

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by verdverm »

merlinnn wrote: post #489
verdverm wrote: post #446

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I'd prefer a pay-as-you-go / per API call / search pricing model... to something that if I use it just once, I pay full price for a month. Same rationale for AI in my IDE, I'm waiting for the pricing models to change

The downside is that price per unit will increase as minimum unit size goes down. You're essentially buying at a "retail" price whereas the monthly bundle is wholesale. But the tradeoff would be worth it for sparsely used applications.

I pay $0.01 per MB on my phone data plan until I reach the unlimited plan value, then everything is free

I don't think you can guarantee that the price will go up. If I look at the API costs today, they do not have a sliding scale

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by verdverm »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #457
verdverm wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer a pay-as-you-go / per API call / search pricing model... to something that if I use it just once, I pay full price for a month. Same rationale for AI in my IDE, I'm waiting for the pricing models to change

There are any number of plugins for all of the popular IDEs/text editors that let you use metered AI usage using an API key. For VS code compatible plugins checkout Cline/Roo or just search for AI in the extensions.

Plugins will never match the possibilities of a deep integration. Those who build or fork VS code want the monthly fee because they make way more per customer

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by myroon5 »

andai wrote: post #227
BossingAround wrote: post #119

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To be honest, it's insane to me that there's no law about this. If you're a subscription business and you see 0 activity on a paying customer for 60 days, you should be required to ask them whether they want to continue using your service (and no answer should result in service cancellation).

As a counterpoint, I found that Google had deleted all my servers from the GCP trial. I thought it's like AWS where it automatically starts billing you at the end. In fact was pretty sure I was paying for them (Google is definitely sending me strange unmarked invoices for something ) but it turns out you have to activate it manually, and when I didn't, they just nuked the whole thing.

Neither default makes sense for everyone in this case.. better enforcing explicit preference choices

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by sma3in »

Good pricing approach that I think lots of companies should start adopting. But I just can't wrap my head around paying for my online searches. self hosting a free service like SearXNG will forever my go to option for privacy and security

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by perdomon »

ajdude wrote: post #86

Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service. Keep up the good work guys!

If you're comfortable sharing, what is your job/role, how does Kagi help with that (or is it more of a personal tool), and do you find it more helpful than something like Google + Claude (what I currently use and love)?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by permo-w »

gkbrk wrote: post #171
leokennis wrote: post #145

I find Kagi to be very expensive. $10 a month for unlimited pricing. For around the same price, I can stream millions of songs, or stream thousands of high res videos, or subscribe to both premium e-mail and a premium task manager. What makes web search so expensive?

How do you stream millions of songs per month when there is 43,200 minutes in a month? If what you mean is you can pick from their library of millions of songs, Kagi sounds like an even better deal. For $10 a month you can search 400 billion web pages.

for $0 a month you can search 400 billion web pages on any other search engine with an adblocker. if Spotify's business model was "we're going to charge you $120 a year to show you otherwise free and ad-free content more efficiently", they'd be face down in the pool, and rightly so.

I would love to pay for kagi, but the $5 tier would give me search anxiety and $10 is cheeky as fuck. I appreciate that charging per search is a less stable business model than monthly tiers, but it would have made me a customer a long time ago.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by permo-w »

carlosjobim wrote: post #376
leokennis wrote: post #145

I find Kagi to be very expensive. $10 a month for unlimited pricing. For around the same price, I can stream millions of songs, or stream thousands of high res videos, or subscribe to both premium e-mail and a premium task manager. What makes web search so expensive?

It's not that Kagi is expensive at all. It is that your streaming services and premium e-mail service are incredibly cheap. Can you name a few things which you can purchase in your local supermarket that brings you the same value for $10?

the value of a paid online service is not "how useful is it in a vacuum?", it's "how much more effective is it than a free competitor?"

kagi's value is "how much more effective is it than using google with an adblocker?"

getting the value of the only search engine in the world at the supermarket for $10 would be a challenge. getting the value of "improved search results" is absolutely trivial. you could keep yourself alive for many days with $10. for $0 you can use google with an adblocker.

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