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String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by DrewRWx »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #495
PaulHoule wrote: post #460

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My best friend in college knew she was a woman when she was a small child (though her mom and her birth certificate disagreed.) Nobody was going to talk her out of it. She got kicked out of the Air Force Academy on account of it. The nation's loss was my gain because she was the most awesome engineering student and science fiction fan and after working in many military-industrial complex jobs she's working on a proje…

> He's taking a cocktail of drugs that gets prescribed via telemedicine and was telling us about the serious side effects he was suffering: one of these drugs, spironolactone, is primarily a drug that alters your mineral metabolism but has the effect of suppressing testosterone if you take 20x the normal dose. (My doc gives it to me for my blood pressure.) He has insatiable cravings for salt as a result. It's worth n…

Thank you for providing this exhaustive and necessary context.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by julianeon »

adastra22 wrote: post #493
bbwbsb wrote: post #451

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Wow what a blast from the past. Sounds like /r/Tulpas. I've always thought it was a purely rhetorical trick + disassociation, and obvious what is happening and why. Sleep deprecation has always been part of it since that makes it harder to notice the errors at the edge of your perception. It goes back to at least the 2010s I think. There is some precedent; the Twin Flame cult coerced transition in some members if I r…

The specific technique here is unihemispherical sleep. Stimulating one side of the body while resting the other (one eye closed) to get one hemisphere to fall asleep. I think Gwen originally developed this trick to probe the mind and see if behavior was altered when one hemisphere was asleep versus the other. However, it turns out that when you do this, the brain as a whole does not get adequate sleep, even if you al…

I would guess he probably just convinced a roommate or friend they need to kill other people to accomplish their lofty goal, which would be a lot simpler (see: the Mangione fandom). Once he got a couple people to agree the rest came over from peer pressure.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by adastra22 »

DrewRWx wrote: post #498
YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #426

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The more readily a group tries to restrict some behaviours, the more it implicitly endorses behaviours it doesn’t attempt to restrict.

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A witticism that falls flat when it is pointed out that conservatives are the ones in favor of rule of law and universal constitutional law.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by jongjong »

Feels like we're going back to a period of political decentralization. History suggests that large empires tend to collapse after the rule of law loses its meaning and power. I've been predicting the rise of political gangs for a long time.

It already feels like everyone is in a tribe... Now the level of violence is being dialed up and the overarching structures are losing their ability to enforce the law. Look at how many criminals have been pardoned, nobody cares anymore. Nobody even agrees about what a criminal is.

How can we reduce crime if we cannot even agree on what it means?

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by wholinator2 »

PaulHoule wrote: post #460
LeoPanthera wrote: post #408

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My best friend in college knew she was a woman when she was a small child (though her mom and her birth certificate disagreed.) Nobody was going to talk her out of it. She got kicked out of the Air Force Academy on account of it. The nation's loss was my gain because she was the most awesome engineering student and science fiction fan and after working in many military-industrial complex jobs she's working on a proje…

I'll say, being in some subreddits around these things, there really is a subculture which attributes nearly all abnormalities, disharmonies, regrets, or desires around gender to the person being trans. Like, they speak as if they already know what this person is going to do in the future, like they understand more from one message than this person knows about themselves from their entire life. It's mostly young kids doing this to other young kids, the same way social pressure has played out for millennia, i assume. But this is a new way it's being expressed, i think it's on the adults (as it always is) to explain to the kids that asserting facts about other people's genders or desires is exactly what we were trying to stop, and that it's very disrespectful, disenfranchising, dehumanizing to assert someone else's inner world is something you know better than them. I've said as much when I've come across it, no one's ever tried to fight me about it

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by zozbot234 »

adastra22 wrote: post #493
bbwbsb wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow what a blast from the past. Sounds like /r/Tulpas. I've always thought it was a purely rhetorical trick + disassociation, and obvious what is happening and why. Sleep deprecation has always been part of it since that makes it harder to notice the errors at the edge of your perception. It goes back to at least the 2010s I think. There is some precedent; the Twin Flame cult coerced transition in some members if I r…

The specific technique here is unihemispherical sleep. Stimulating one side of the body while resting the other (one eye closed) to get one hemisphere to fall asleep. I think Gwen originally developed this trick to probe the mind and see if behavior was altered when one hemisphere was asleep versus the other. However, it turns out that when you do this, the brain as a whole does not get adequate sleep, even if you al…

Please note that there's no real evidence that single-hemisphere sleep is a thing in humans. Some sleep researchers suggest that a brain hemisphere can spontaneously be awake during ordinary sleep in "unfamiliar" places, and that this can be a cause of poor quality sleep - but that's a very different thing from what Ziz claims to be able to do.

Also, to the best of my knowledge, Gwern has never written anything on his site about this purported single-hemisphere sleep, see https://gwern.net/doc/zeo/index for the details of what he has written about.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by zmgsabst »

dbalatero wrote: post #438
thrance wrote: post #430

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Of what exactly? I haven't claimed any conspiracy, that's all stuff Trump bragged about on the news. Bringing up the "criminality of the Biden family" is a legitimately insane thing to do when defending Trump.

You'll note the parent didn't cite any examples of the criminality of the Biden family, despite demanding examples of things on the front page of news today.

Here you go.

https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-ti...

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