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Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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~$125B per year would be 2-3% of all domestic investment. It's similar in scale to the GDP of a small middle income country. If the electric grid — particularly the interconnection queue — is already the bottleneck to data center deployment, is something on this scale even close to possible? If it's a rationalized policy framework (big if!), I would guess there's some major permitting reform announcement coming soon.

> It's similar in scale to the GDP of a small middle income country I’ve been advocating for a data centre analogue to the Heavy Press Programme for some years [1]. This isn’t quite it. But when I mapped out costs, $1tn over 10 years was very doable. (A lot of it would go to power generation and data transmission infrastructure.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Press_Program

One-time capital costs that unlock a range of possibilities also tend to be good bets.

The Flood Control Act [0], TVA, Heavy Press, etc.

They all created generally useful infrastructure, that would be used for a variety of purposes over the subsequent decades.

The federal government creating data center capacity, at scale, with electrical, water, and network hookups, feels very similar. Or semiconductor manufacture. Or recapitalizing US shipyards.

It might be AI today, something else tomorrow. But there will always be a something else.

Honestly, the biggest missed opportunity was supporting the Blount Island nuclear reactor mass production facility [1]. That was a perfect opportunity for government investment to smooth out market demand spikes. Mass deployed US nuclear in 1980 would have been a game changer.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_Control_Act_of_1928

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_Power_Systems#Const...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Why is Larry Ellison giving a speech about the power of AI to cure disease? How is Oracle relevant at all to any of AI progress in the past few years?

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/03/08/1069523/sam-altm...

Wouldn't surprise me Sam Altman convinced Trump/Son/Ellison that this AI can reverse their aging. And Ellison does have a ton of money - $208bn.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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For fun, I calculated how this stacks up against other humanity-scale mega projects. Mega Project Rankings (USD Inflation Adjusted) The New Deal: $1T, Interstate Highway System: $618B, OpenAI Stargate: $500B, The Apollo Project: $278B, International Space Station: $180B, South-North Water Transfer: $106B, The Channel Tunnel: $31B, Manhattan Project: $30B Insane Stuff.

Those are all public projects except for one..

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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post #321

Texas positioning itself better than expected for AI and EVs is the plot twist the peasants needed If they plan to transition off oil/nuclear it will be fun to watch

Texas already is the leading state in new grid battery and grid solar installs for the last 3 years. Governor Abbott also did nuclear deregulation last year.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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For fun, I calculated how this stacks up against other humanity-scale mega projects. Mega Project Rankings (USD Inflation Adjusted) The New Deal: $1T, Interstate Highway System: $618B, OpenAI Stargate: $500B, The Apollo Project: $278B, International Space Station: $180B, South-North Water Transfer: $106B, The Channel Tunnel: $31B, Manhattan Project: $30B Insane Stuff.

Neom: $1.5T

But that one's imaginary.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Why Texas - is it an ideal location for AI infrastructure?

Leading state in new grid battery and grid solar installations for the last three years, and deregulated nuclear power last year. Abilene is near the Dallas Fort-Worth Metroplex area which has a massive 8M+ upper-income population highly skilled in hardware and electrical engineering (Texas Instruments, Raytheon, Toyota, etc). The entire area has massive tracts of open land that are affordably priced without building restrictions. Business regulations and tax environment at the state and city level are very laissez faire (no taxes on construction such as in the Seattle area or many parts of California).

I could see DFW being a good candidate for a prototype arcology project.

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