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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by quchen »

jrm4 wrote: post #139

I remember the night when I knew clubbing (perhaps not raves per se) died. Blackbird Ordinary, Miami. July 4th weekend. Normal clubby kind of night. Then in comes a dude in bright ridiculous Uncle Sam gear, sparklers and all, making a spectacle of himself. All the phones come out. Sigh. This is not the point of clubs/bars. You're mostly not supposed to be "seen" and certainly not like that.

Putting stickers onto phones, kicking out violators and fostering a culture around that does miracles to that kind of behavior. Once a majority enjoyes the moment and is very openly pissed off by any kind of filming we go back to being ourselves.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by drowntoge »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #261
steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

I was going to say "when I was a kid, raves happened out in the woods where there is no real estate cost", but then I realized the lack of socializing or risky behaviours pretty much eliminates this form of partying today, haha. It's also impossible for kids living in most population centres. I guess it was just a weird rural-kid thing here in Western Canada. I wasn't a raver but I went to a couple, and wow, what a t…

Gen≠Z here, and that does sound like the best party ever.

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Post by tredre3 »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #354
mjsir911 wrote: post #166

NPR did a recent expose about a local renegade spot & the shows it supports in my scene: https://www.kuow.org/stories/under-the-bridge-a-portrait-of-... With mixed results, it kind of burned the spot by virtue of being talked about in too wide an audience but I think it's also important to make it known to the mainstream that this kind of stuff is happening. All that's needed to make a rave happen is music & speakers…

> Humans will always find spaces to congregate ... I hope we're not losing our drive to be around each other and dance, it's been such a integral part of my life story (as a fairly young person!) and has let me find my people. I'm gonna dump a little bit with the blind hope that someone can explain what I'm feeling. Not meaning to disrespect you mjsir, but this thread just has the right context: I'm in my 30s and I h…

> Can anyone relate?

I can relate with everything you have said and my life experience seems to be similar to yours. When I was younger in the 90s I forced myself to go clubbing a few times. I hated everything about it, frankly. Even so, I can't help but feel like I'm missing out on important life experiences when I read comments here.

But I think it's important to keep in mind that threads like these suffer from selection bias because, objectively speaking, most people in real life do not go clubbing or raving in their adulthood...

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Post by troutwine »

mindcrime wrote: post #488
deanCommie wrote: post #467

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Every instinct I have agrees with you. Yet I can't help but wonder if people also said the same about the telephone (which enabled socialization without colocation) and television (Which enabled entertainment as a passive indirect consumption) I realize of course that the internet, and mobile (and eventually VR/AR) is Yet Another Step Further. But...like every step does it not also come with benefits for some at the…

> and television (Which enabled entertainment as a passive indirect consumption) Absolutely. There were periods of time in history when there was significant opposition to television. Hence the coining of terms like "boob tube", "idiot box", "idiot's lantern", "cultural wasteland", etc. You can see a bit more of some of that (although not with a primarily historical focus) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_a…

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death

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Post by zetalyrae »

mindcrime wrote: post #488
deanCommie wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every instinct I have agrees with you. Yet I can't help but wonder if people also said the same about the telephone (which enabled socialization without colocation) and television (Which enabled entertainment as a passive indirect consumption) I realize of course that the internet, and mobile (and eventually VR/AR) is Yet Another Step Further. But...like every step does it not also come with benefits for some at the…

> and television (Which enabled entertainment as a passive indirect consumption) Absolutely. There were periods of time in history when there was significant opposition to television. Hence the coining of terms like "boob tube", "idiot box", "idiot's lantern", "cultural wasteland", etc. You can see a bit more of some of that (although not with a primarily historical focus) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_a…

And they were right. Television created nothing of value.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

marssaxman wrote: post #238
s1artibartfast wrote: post #211

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I think it is almost entirely job driven. Given the choice of equal pay, most people would pick a cheap suburban 2000sqft house with a garden for 10% the price of a SF condo. Of course, variation exists

Cities are not just where the jobs are, cities are where everything is. You'd likely have to offer double my salary before I'd consider exchanging my life here in the heart of it all for the lonely, empty, car-dependent barrenness of the suburbs.

Jeez, you'd hate it here then :-)

Looking out my window, I can't even see another house. If I twist my neck, I can see a neighbor's barn about half a mile away, though.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

dagw wrote: post #484
wrl wrote: post #473

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"most people"? Genuine question – do you have any data to back this up?

While I would much rather have a nice downtown condo in a major city over a ranch house in the sticks. I would rather have the ranch house in the sticks than a condo in the same location as that ranch house. Some dream of living in a condo in the city, some of a rural ranch house. I don't think anybody dreams of a rural condo.

The ones that like living out in the country but don't want to/can't mow lawns and shovel snow do.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by flocciput »

kstrauser wrote: post #120

One big change is that they got better and much more organized. I go to an annual event with a few hundred of my friends and family. We rent a lodge in a national forest, set up an enormous sound system, and dance for 3 days around some very confused deer. There are food trucks and coffee bars and dozens of portapotties scattered around, plus daytime poolside sets while we swim around and listen to 100dB house. We gr…

How much does it cost (not to organize, but for someone to attend)?
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