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"Love and belonging" is the third in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. It's difficult to feel a sense of belonging if all your peers have access to something you don't, even worse if that something is your social space itself. (Full disclosure: I am rampantly anti smartphone. But I understand kids' need to have it.)
That’s why we need blanket bans where no one has a smartphone at school.
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Agree. I propose hypothesis here all the time and people will say "Show me the study that proves what you are saying!". For instance. It maybe that the distracting quality of the phone is not the only thing providing better sleep and mood, but maybe it is the collective power of the EMF radiation that is disturbing the children's catecholamines. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13826...
Ok. Design the experiment to test your hypothesis, and then present its results. The truth of it will be in the data. There is likely a way to test this hypothesis on human children in an ethical fashion.
Also:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2014/198609
"They examined the acute as well as chronic effects of EMF exposure and found a significant increase in adrenaline and noradrenaline levels after EMF exposure, following a drop, but the normal levels were not restored even at the end of the study (about one and a half year). They also observed significant diminution in dopamine levels."
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To what end? Why do school kids need a smartphone?
There are a lot of things schools themselves have done that end up essentially requiring it. Here's a short list from my kids' district: * Use an LMS called Infinite Canvas. Among other things, the kids have to submit homework online -- which can be done on the web app -- which often requires them to take a photo of handwritten work to upload. Have you ever tried taking a photo of a piece of paper using a $200 Chrome…
No, but I've used a scanner before. Surely that's still an option?
Maybe it's unusual that we've kept them, but both my ancient inkjet and my wife's ancient laser printer both have flatbed scanners on top.
Can we have smartphone threads where everyone discloses whether they're an app developer or have another conflict of interest? Some of us know these kids are cash cows and are behaving like the anti-gun-regulation lobby of the tech world. I am not an app developer and derive no income from the sale or usage of smartphones or their software.
IME tech folks are, on average, more in-tune with the "keep kids away from screens" thing than the general population. I think we know enough about it to fear it.
A programmer keeps an axe on the wall next to the electric kettle.
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To what end? Why do school kids need a smartphone?
There are a lot of things schools themselves have done that end up essentially requiring it. Here's a short list from my kids' district: * Use an LMS called Infinite Canvas. Among other things, the kids have to submit homework online -- which can be done on the web app -- which often requires them to take a photo of handwritten work to upload. Have you ever tried taking a photo of a piece of paper using a $200 Chrome…
Can we have smartphone threads where everyone discloses whether they're an app developer or have another conflict of interest? Some of us know these kids are cash cows and are behaving like the anti-gun-regulation lobby of the tech world. I am not an app developer and derive no income from the sale or usage of smartphones or their software.
I'm an app developer who's spent my career building excellent iOS apps, previously with Google and Snap. I have every intention of raising my kids as far away from smartphones as possible, ideally until they're at least teenagers. My fiance and I have already discussed keeping the household as de-screened as possible, it's something we consider a lot. It's interesting you'd suggest that an app developer would have a…
Social media at the start may have been neutral to slightly negative, but once creators started optimizing and the various "algorithms" were installed and A/B tested, what came out the end is some pretty nasty stuff mentally. Junk food for the soul.
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I'm an app developer who's spent my career building excellent iOS apps, previously with Google and Snap. I have every intention of raising my kids as far away from smartphones as possible, ideally until they're at least teenagers. My fiance and I have already discussed keeping the household as de-screened as possible, it's something we consider a lot. It's interesting you'd suggest that an app developer would have a…
That's exactly what I was going to say. Every software dev I know who works on apps, social media, etc. all keep their kids from going near the shit. They know, conflict of interest or not. I've not seen anyone behind these products once they hit a mature state where they start psychologically stripmining their audiences who's eager to get any of their family onboarded.
Most schools in the UK ban phones in school. The difference here is that in this study phones were taken away for 21 days, even after school. They lost access to the phone completely during that time.
I am less convinced that we should wholesale ban phones for kids, because in the UK at least, there is no longer any culture of letting kids go out and socialise. We need to provide spaces for kids to be kids, and safe.
However I do think social media use should be severely restricted, unfiltered video being zapped into young minds is not the way to build a cohesive society. tiktok/reels/youtube should probably be editorialised so that we can avoid the stupid, bullying and dangerous stuff being spread by arseholes.
Furthermore I think phone use should be time limited by default. That is, the default is that the phone stops all notifications after 20:00 apart from things like parents.
I have two kids, and I despair at other parents who think its fine to allow their 10/11 year olds to start group video calls at >20:30. Or the ones who let their kids bully on the class whatsapp.
Part of this is education, most of it is tech companies wanting to make money from kids (including mine.)
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No, I wouldn't support that policy. That would be like banning paper because someone prints porn on it. Absurd.
If I follow through what you said, paper has obvious positive impact in schools, or we can at least imagine that positive impact. And so banning paper would be very likely not to result in an improvement if studied. And like any smartphone ban, it _should_ be studied rigorously before implementing. But lets say they do find that smart phones during class _are_ good, but just social media is bad, then it also sounds r…