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Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by mklepaczewski »

1123581321 wrote: post #499
mklepaczewski wrote: post #443

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The parent might be referring to us: https://workmode.net/ . Most of our clients work from home. Do you have a specific concern about body doubling and working from home?

Clever service! I assume your employees watch several people at once. Is it engaging enough work for them?

Yes, they monitor several people simultaneously. Most clients ask us to check in on their progress every 15–30 minutes, and these interactions can last anywhere from a few seconds to three minutes, depending on the client and the challenges they're facing. It might be boring when working with a single person, but it gets more challenging as more people connect.

Also, we do more than just body doubling. Some clients need to follow a morning ritual before starting their work (think meditation, a quick house cleanup, etc.). Sometimes, we perform sanity checks on their to-do lists (people often create tasks that are too vague or vastly underestimate the time needed to complete them). We ask them to apply the 2-minute rule, and so on. It all depends on the client's needs.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by mklepaczewski »

kirubakaran wrote: post #464
mklepaczewski wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent might be referring to us: https://workmode.net/ . Most of our clients work from home. Do you have a specific concern about body doubling and working from home?

Some unsolicited feedback (please feel free to ignore): When I click on "Pricing" in the nav bar, it scrolls down, and the first thing that catches my eye is "$2100 / month". I happened to see this time that this is the benefit you're projecting and it is actually $2.50/hour. On the previous times I've visited your website based on your HN comments, I've always thought $2100/month was what you were going to charge me…

Thank you! I hadn’t thought of it that way, but what you wrote makes total sense and explains the engagement issues we’re seeing with the calculator and the pricing section.

> Again, please feel free to ignore this as it is quite possible that it is just me with the attention span of a goldfish with CTE while clicking around new websites.

Most of our clients have issues with attention span, so your feedback is gold :-) Again, thank you!

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by mklepaczewski »

losvedir wrote: post #446
mklepaczewski wrote: post #437

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Interesting! I see how this could work for inattentive procrastinators. By "inattentive procrastinators", I mean people who are easily distracted and forget that they need to work on their tasks. Once reminded, they return to their tasks without much fuss. However, I doubt it would work for hedonistic procrastinators. When body doubling, hedonistic procrastinators rely on social pressure to be productive. Using AI li…

You don't necessarily need to believe the AI is a human for it to tickle the ingrained social instincts you're looking for. For example, I'm quite aware that AI's are just tools, and yet I still feel a strong need to be "polite" in my requests to ChatGPT. "Please do ...." or "Can you...?" and even "Thanks, that worked! Now can you..." etc.

I do the same, but I think it's because we were taught to be polite and to conduct conversations in a certain way.

Do you put effort into being polite when ChatGPT makes a mistake and you correct it? Do you try to soften the blow to avoid hurting its "feelings"? Do you feel bad if you respond impolitely? I don't.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by egeozcan »

michaelt wrote: post #452
egeozcan wrote: post #158

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> they also have an incredibly bad track record of supporting their products Incredibly bad track record of supporting products that don't grow . I'm not saying this to defend Google, I'm still (perhaps unreasonably) angry because of Reader, it's just that there is a pattern and AI isn't likely to fit that for a long while.

> Incredibly bad track record of supporting products that don't grow. [...] AI isn't likely to fit that for a long while. Have you seen Google Bard anywhere recently? Me neither :)

As far as I know, they just renamed it to Gemini.

Now I'm not sure if are you arguing that a name change is not supporting a product or that Gemini is a different product with a different feature set?

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by biztos »

mklepaczewski wrote: post #443
themaninthedark wrote: post #442

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Do they support WFH setups?

The parent might be referring to us: https://workmode.net/ . Most of our clients work from home. Do you have a specific concern about body doubling and working from home?

That’s interesting, I never considered something like that.

But at that low price, surely you have a bunch of customers being watched by each employee, and then talking to only one at a time — isn’t it distracting to see your “double” chatting away with the sound off?

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by player1234 »

sky2224 wrote: post #397
modeless wrote: post #383

https://aistudio.google.com/live is by far the coolest thing here. You can just go there and share your screen or camera and have a running live voice conversation with Gemini about anything you're looking at. As much as you want, for free. I just tried having it teach me how to use Blender. It seems like it could actually be super helpful for beginners, as it has decent knowledge of the toolbars and keyboard shortcu…

THIS is the thing I'm excited for with AI. I'm someone that becomes about 5x more productive when I have a person watching or just checking in on me (even if they're just hovering there). Having AI to basically be that "parent" to kick me into gear would be so helpful. 90% of the time my problems are because I need someone to help keep the gears turning for me, but there isn't always someone available. This has the p…

So why not fire 3 of your colleges and have another whos new job is watching over/checking in on you and by your own account productivity would be about the same. Save your company some money it will be appreciated!

On an unrelated note, I believe people need to start quantifying their outrageous ai productivity claims or shut up.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by kirubakaran »

mklepaczewski wrote: post #502
kirubakaran wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some unsolicited feedback (please feel free to ignore): When I click on "Pricing" in the nav bar, it scrolls down, and the first thing that catches my eye is "$2100 / month". I happened to see this time that this is the benefit you're projecting and it is actually $2.50/hour. On the previous times I've visited your website based on your HN comments, I've always thought $2100/month was what you were going to charge me…

Thank you! I hadn’t thought of it that way, but what you wrote makes total sense and explains the engagement issues we’re seeing with the calculator and the pricing section. > Again, please feel free to ignore this as it is quite possible that it is just me with the attention span of a goldfish with CTE while clicking around new websites. Most of our clients have issues with attention span, so your feedback is gold :…

Welcome! btw this is how it looked: https://i.imgur.com/qg8gNJF.png

I understand if the window were taller, I'd have seen the actual price cards. I think it's just that when you click "Pricing", you expect the next obvious number you see to be the price.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by TeaBrain »

stavros wrote: post #275
fluoridation wrote: post #201

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That's not really any better, since "all of our products" already includes the subset that has at least 2B users. "I brought all my shoes, including all my red shoes."

They're pointing out that seven of their products have more than 2 billion users. "I brought all my shoes, including the pairs that cost over $10,000" is saying something about what shoes you brought, more than "all of them".

>They're pointing out that seven of their products have more than 2 billion users.

More specifically, they are trying to emphasize the point that gemini is being used with seven products with over 2 billion users. However, the above user is right that this was a bafflingly terrible use of English to establish this fact.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by RevertBusload »

StableAlkyne wrote: post #152
crowcroft wrote: post #15

Big companies can be slow to pivot, and Google has been famously bad at getting people aligned and driving in one direction. But, once they do get moving in the right direction the can achieve things that smaller companies can't. Google has an insane amount of talent in this space, and seems to be getting the right results from that now. Remains to be seen how well they will be able to productize and market, but hard…

> Remains to be seen how well they will be able to productize and market The challenge is trust. Google is one of the leaders in AI and are home to incredibly talented developers. But they also have an incredibly bad track record of supporting their products. It's hard to justify committing developers and money to a product when there's a good chance you'll just have to pivot again once they get bored. Say what you w…

Surface Duo would like to have a word

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by mklepaczewski »

biztos wrote: post #505
mklepaczewski wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent might be referring to us: https://workmode.net/ . Most of our clients work from home. Do you have a specific concern about body doubling and working from home?

That’s interesting, I never considered something like that. But at that low price, surely you have a bunch of customers being watched by each employee, and then talking to only one at a time — isn’t it distracting to see your “double” chatting away with the sound off?

No, nobody has ever complained about it (and yes, we did ask). When we first started, we were really concerned about it, so we tried to move as little as possible, avoid hand gestures, and so on. However, it turned out to be a non-issue.

Fun fact: I’d estimate that 50% of users don’t even look at their Productivity Partner while they work. WorkMode runs in another tab, and users rarely switch back to it. They don’t need to see us - they just need to know we’re watching. I’m in that group.

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