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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by gregorygoc »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #494
_fat_santa wrote: post #427

When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

Livestreaming is a solved problem. This sounds like NIH [1]. (At the very least, hire them as a back-up.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here

Saying live-streaming is a solved problem is like saying search is a solved problem.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by oehpr »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #494
_fat_santa wrote: post #427

When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

Livestreaming is a solved problem. This sounds like NIH [1]. (At the very least, hire them as a back-up.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here

Look. I'm a small startup employee. I have a teeny tiny perspective here. But frankly speaking the idea that Netflix could just take some off the shelf widget and stuff it in their network to solve a problem... It's an absurd statement for even me. And if there's anyone it should apply to it would be a little startup company that needs to focus on their core area.

Every off the shelf component on the market needs institutional knowledge to implement, operate, and maintain it. Even Apple's "it just works" mantra is pretty laughable in the cold light of day. Very rarely in my experience do you ever get to just benefit from someone else's hard work in production without having an idea how properly implement, operate, and maintain it.

And that's at my little tiny ant scale. To call the problem of streaming "solved" for Netflix... Given the guess of the context from the GP post?

I just don't think this perspective is realistic at all.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by yorwba »

colesantiago wrote: post #462
immibis wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've never worked in a startup have you? Or any business for that matter. You have to promise something first, then build it.

No joke, is this actually true? Do startups really do this? I thought the capability is built or nearly built or at least in testing already with reasonable or amazing results, THEN they go to market? Do startups go to other startups, fortune 500 companies and public companies to make false promises with or without due diligence and sign deals with the knowledge that the team and engineers know the product doesn't ha…

You don't necessarily have to make false promises.

You can be totally honest and upfront that the functionality doesn't exist yet and needs to be built first, but that you think you understand the problem space and can handle the engineering, provided you can secure the necessary funding, where, by the way, getting a contract and some nominal revenue now could greatly help make this a reality...

And if the upside sounds convincing enough, a potential customer might happily sign up to cover part of your costs so they can be beta testers and observe and influence ongoing development.

Of course it happens all the time that the problem space turns out to be more difficult than expected, in which case they might terminate the partnership early and then the whole thing collapses from lack of funding.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by _proofs »

immibis wrote: post #436
Loughla wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>First off the deal that they struck was probably one they couldn't ignore If you can't provide the service you shouldn't sell it?

You've never worked in a startup have you? Or any business for that matter. You have to promise something first, then build it.

i imagine this is why a lot of products, and startups, fail.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by barkingcat »

emeril wrote: post #399
barkingcat wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yup wanted to say that live stream stuttering has happened before on Netflix - I don't think the reputation is deserved. From a livestreaming standpoint, netflix is 0/x - for many large events such as love is blind, etc. From a livestreaming standpoint, look to broadcast news, sports / Olympics broadcasters, etc and you'll see technology, equipment, bandwidth, planning, and professionalism at 1000x of netflix. Heck,…

All valid points though each of those examples seemingly only has a fraction of the viewers of the netflix events, right?

for livestreams, individual events like the Olympics probably has a surge audience of 10x of netflix events.

Netflix events is small potatoes compared to other livestream stalwarts.

Imagine having to stream a cricket match internationally to UK / India / Australia with combined audience that crushes the Superbowl or a football match to all of Europe, or even something like livestreaming F1 racing that has multiple magnitudes of audience than a boxing match and also has 10x the number of cameras (at 8K+ resolution) across a large physical staging arena (the size of the track/course) in realtime, in addition to streaming directly from the cockpit of cars that are racing 200mph++.

Livestream focused outfits do this all day, everyday.

Netflix doesn't even come close to scratching the "beginner" level of these kinds of live events.

It's a matter of competencies. We wouldn't expect Netflix to be able to serve burgers like McDonald's does - Livestreaming is a completely different discipline and it's hubris on Netflix's part to assume just because they're good at sending video across the internet they can competently do livestreaming.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by jaimsam »

_fat_santa wrote: post #427

When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

gregorygoc wrote: post #501
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Livestreaming is a solved problem. This sounds like NIH [1]. (At the very least, hire them as a back-up.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here

Saying live-streaming is a solved problem is like saying search is a solved problem.

> Saying live-streaming is a solved problem is like saying search is a solved problem

It is. You can hire the people who have solved it to do it for you.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

oehpr wrote: post #502
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Livestreaming is a solved problem. This sounds like NIH [1]. (At the very least, hire them as a back-up.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here

Look. I'm a small startup employee. I have a teeny tiny perspective here. But frankly speaking the idea that Netflix could just take some off the shelf widget and stuff it in their network to solve a problem... It's an absurd statement for even me. And if there's anyone it should apply to it would be a little startup company that needs to focus on their core area. Every off the shelf component on the market needs ins…

> the idea that Netflix could just take some off the shelf widget and stuff it in their network to solve a problem

Right. They have to hire one of the companies that does this. Each of YouTube, Twitch (Amazon), Facebook and TikTok have, I believe, handled 10+ million streams. The last two don't compete with Netflix.

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Post by intelVISA »

_fat_santa wrote: post #427

When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

Not sure why Netflix is held in high regard - this proves they're just as much clowns as the other 'big players' in the circus.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by ctvo »

It’s insane the excuses being made here for Netflix’s apparently unique circumstances.

They failed. Full stop. There is no valid technical reason they couldn’t have had a smooth experience. There are numerous people with experience building these systems they could have hired and listened to. It isn’t a novel problem.

Here are the other companies that are peers that livestream just fine, ignoring traditional broadcasters:

- Google (YouTube live), millions of concurrent viewers

- Amazon (Thursday Night Football, Twitch), millions of concurrent viewers

- Apple (MLS)

NBC live streamed the Olympics in the US for tens of millions.

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