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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by red-iron-pine »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #288
moomin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you've managed to explain why H1Bs shouldn't exist pretty convincingly.

My one hope for the next administration is that they crack down hard on this sort of thing and pursue comprehensive immigration reform. A company that relies on labor from people who don't even have permanent residency rights probably shouldn't exist, and yes, I'm including agriculture in that statement. We should have a points based system like Canada with some carve outs for lower skilled ag workers.

lol you think immigration is a real concern? remember the convoy, or the W Bush era?

half of US farms, meat packing, restaurants, construction, etc. rely on undocumented labor. the GOP owned the house and Senate for years, and could have crushed it well before now.

they don't because a lot of big business want these illegals, and the same folks backing the new administration -- aka tech bros like Musk and Thiel -- are totally down with H1Bs

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by projectazorian »

bdangubic wrote: post #349
projectazorian wrote: post #292

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The labor market test is usually required to upgrade to an employment-based green card from a H-1B, though, hence the frequent confusion.

It is 100% required for employment-based green card from a H1B. Anyone that has gone through this process knows this as their own job had to be posted to several job posting sites and each and ever candidate had to be reviewed and discounted in some ways (my company added crap to the posting such that it was simply impossible for someone to be as qualified for the job as me unless they sat next to me and did what I d…

Nope, it's not 100% required, there are exceptions for certain job categories like nursing and there's also the extraordinary ability exception.

(Not trying to be pedantic but US immigration law is full of random loopholes and people who qualify for them, or might be able to qualify with a bit of work, often aren't aware.)

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Post by bdangubic »

projectazorian wrote: post #502
bdangubic wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is 100% required for employment-based green card from a H1B. Anyone that has gone through this process knows this as their own job had to be posted to several job posting sites and each and ever candidate had to be reviewed and discounted in some ways (my company added crap to the posting such that it was simply impossible for someone to be as qualified for the job as me unless they sat next to me and did what I d…

Nope, it's not 100% required, there are exceptions for certain job categories like nursing and there's also the extraordinary ability exception. (Not trying to be pedantic but US immigration law is full of random loopholes and people who qualify for them, or might be able to qualify with a bit of work, often aren't aware.)

I should have been more clear - I am talking about IT/Dev/… jobs, not other professions.

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Post by JAlexoid »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #455
carlosjobim wrote: post #433

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For non-workers the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, while for workers the disadvantages outweigh the benefits. If your income is from owning capital or from real estate value increase or from government benefits, then anything that can reduce the price of things you want to buy is a benefit. This is a large part of the population. If your income is from working and producing goods and services, then getting paid…

Workers aren't monolithic. I'll be the first to admit that the disadvantages outweigh the benefits for specific workers. NAFTA sucked for autoworkers. H1B visas suck for IT and software workers. I think other types of workers benefit more than the portrait you paint, and not just the capital owners. Unless you are a utilitarian (I'm not), I agree there is a valid debate on how much policy should disadvantage a small…

> H1B visas suck for IT and software workers.

H1b only sucks for short sighted people. Places like India would in any case have more software engineers available, than the US. Moving and hiring best of Indian engineers in the US kept teams operating in the US from being offshored wholesale.

Software isn't a car, doesn't require physical transportation.

An understaffed team in the US would be worth less than an offshore team with offshoring overhead.

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Post by gigel82 »

freeone3000 wrote: post #287
gigel82 wrote: post #278

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Stop it, no one "values things besides salary", and you know it.

I value a good manager, a fun team, an actual PTO policy I can use, and cool projects to work with at about $40,000 a year. Salary is valuable but it is not the only valuable thing.

If you can't live off of $40,000 a year, you are not taking that job. I'm not saying there aren't people already independently wealthy and "working" for fun but those are an infinitesimal exception.

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Post by non- »

Jabbs wrote: post #359

I have been building an app for job seekers as the customer (rather than employers) and plan to build in feedback loops into companies that have ghost jobs by monitoring the number of applicants who never move to the next phase of interviews but still thinking about how that feature could work. But without employers as the paying customer for job search sites I see no reason why that data isn’t transparent for the jo…

Do you have an API?

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Post by red-iron-pine »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #129
noodlesUK wrote: post #111

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There are actually situations where U.S. citizenship can be a requirement, e.g., cleared jobs but there needs to be a really good reason like not being able to obtain clearances.

SpaceX has been through the wringer on this one, so just copy & paste from their listing: To conform to U.S. Government export regulations, applicant must be a (i) U.S. citizen or national, (ii) U.S. lawful, permanent resident (aka green card holder), (iii) Refugee under 8 U.S.C. § 1157, or (iv) Asylee under 8 U.S.C. § 1158, or be eligible to obtain the required authorizations from the U.S. Department of State. Learn…

> Learn more about the ITAR here

ITAR, defense, and clearances are completely unique worlds compared to the rest of the job market.

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Post by gigel82 »

marssaxman wrote: post #384
gigel82 wrote: post #278

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Stop it, no one "values things besides salary", and you know it.

Are you serious? I know quite clearly that people do value things besides salary!

Of course people value things besides salary, but if there was no salary or the salary would not be enough to live off, none of those things matter in any way. So first and foremost (unless you're a billionaire's son) is salary, for everyone.

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Post by anotherevan »

diego_moita wrote: post #232

This is the reason I no longer bother with HN's "Who's Hiring" posts. They're all Ghost Jobs and we can't even complain there about it.

On a similar post about ghost jobs a couple of weeks ago, I made the following suggestion:

Another potential way to at least surface dodgy behaviour perhaps: Automatically append to a poster's comment links to all their previous comments in Who's Hiring threads in the past twelve months.

I can foresee posters then creating throwaway accounts to avoid this, but the green username would be a give-away (or restrict new accounts from posting on these threads).

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by JAlexoid »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #326
crdrost wrote: post #245

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Yes, this is precisely what the comment thread is saying. Shmatt’s original post should shock you with its conclusion because everyone loses including shmatt.

I’m not necessarily shocked but more appalled. I’ve always wondered this - in tech there’s very little reason to believe that you need to import talent. Learning is mostly democratized these days, and I find it hard pressed to believe that there isn’t a US Citizen for literally any tech company. But they cost more hence they try to do the whole H1B process… which then comes to bite them back.

I literally quit my previous job, because people were hired after "a few Coursera courses".

Sorry, if you "learned online" and haven't spent a few years building software - you aren't immediately as qualified as a graduate from IIT.

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