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Post by bombcar »

shade wrote: post #207
jcmontx wrote: post #20

> "up to 1.8x faster when compared to the 16-inch MacBook Pro with M1 Pro" I insist my 2020 Macbook M1 was the best purchase I ever made

I have the OG 13" MBP M1, and it's been great; I only have two real reasons I'm considering jumping to the 14" MBP M4 Pro finally: - More RAM, primarily for local LLM usage through Ollama (a bit more overhead for bigger models would be nice) - A bit niche, but I often run multiple external displays. DisplayLink works fine for this, but I also use live captions heavily and Apple's live captions don't work when any for…

The M1 Max supports more than one external display natively, which is also an option.

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Post by Dibby053 »

moffkalast wrote: post #81
BrentOzar wrote: post #9

The M4 Max goes up to 128GB RAM, and "over half a terabyte per second of unified memory bandwidth" - LLM users rejoice.

Well it's more like pick your poison, cause all options have caveats: - Apple: all the capacity and bandwidth, but no compute to utilize it - AMD/Nvidia: all the compute and bandwidth, but no capacity to load anything - DDR5: all the capacity, but no compute or bandwidth (cheap tho)

Why was this downvoted?

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Post by touristtam »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #76
tomrod wrote: post #19

This is the first compelling Mac to me. I've used Macs for a few clients and muscle memory is very deeply ingrained for linux desktops. But with local LLMs finally on the verge of usability along with sufficient memory... I might need to make the jump! Wish I could spin up a Linux OS on the hardware though. Not a bright spot for me.

Off topic, but I’m very interested in local LLMs. Could you point me in the right direction, both hardware specs and models?

Have a look at ollama? I think there is a vscode extension to hook into local LLM if you are so inclined: https://ollama.com/blog/continue-code-assistant

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Post by jart »

nonameiguess wrote: post #464
jart wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to say it but that's like a boomer saying they never felt the need to buy a computer, because they've never wished their pen and paper goes faster. Or a UNIX greybeard saying they don't need a Mac since they don't think its GUI would make their terminal go any faster. If you've hit a point in your life where you're no longer keeping up with the latest technological developments like AI, then of course you don'…

So every user of a computer that doesn't create their own home-grown ML models is a boomer? This can't possibly be a generational thing. Just about everyone on the planet is at a place in their life where they don't make their own AIs.

Eventually as the tools for doing it become better they'll all want to or need to. By then, most computers will be capable of running those tools too. Which means when that happens, people will come up another way to push the limits of compute.

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Post by telesilla »

resters wrote: post #493

It's hard to imagine ay reason why I would not want to keep upgrading to a new MPB every few years -- my M3 MBP is by far the best laptop I've owned thanks to the incredible battery life. Of course I'm rooting for competition, but Apple seems to be establishing a bigger and bigger lead with each iteration.

My M1 laptop from early 2022 is too good for me to care about upgrading right now, I loaded it up with 64GB ram and it's still blazing. What benefit would I really notice? My heavy apps loading a couple of seconds faster?

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Post by optymizer »

hypercube33 wrote: post #482
xyst wrote: post #481

> … advanced 12MP … camera wot, m8? Only Apple will call a 12 megapixel camera “advanced”. Same MPs as an old iPhone 6 rear camera. Aside from that, it’s pretty much the same as the prior generation. Same thickness in form factor. Slightly better SoC. Only worth it if you jump from M1 (or any Intel mbp) to M4. Would be godlike if Apple could make the chip swappable. Buy a Mac Studio M2 Ultra Max Plus. Then just upgra…

I feel like if they pushed Win32/Gaming on Apple Mx hardware it'd give at least a single reason for people to adopt or upgrade their devices to new models. I know for sure I'd be on board if everything that ran on my steam deck ran on a mac game wise, since that's holding me back from dropping the cash. I still think I'll get a mini though.

My only explanations for the lack of gaming support (see historical lack of proper OpenGL support) while still supporting high end graphics use cases (film editing, CAD, visual effects) are:

1) Either Apple wants to maintain the image of the Macbook as a "serious device", and not associate itself with the likes of "WoW players in their mom's basement".

2) Microsoft worked something out with Apple, where Apple would not step significantly on the gaming market (Windows, Xbox). I can't think of another reason why gaming on iOS would be just fine, but abysmal on MacOS. Developers release games on MacOS _despite_ the platform.

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Post by charlescurt123 »

garciasn wrote: post #28
BrentOzar wrote: post #9

The M4 Max goes up to 128GB RAM, and "over half a terabyte per second of unified memory bandwidth" - LLM users rejoice.

We run our LLM workloads on a M2 Ultra because of this. 2x the VRAM; one-time cost at $5350 was the same as, at the time, 1 month of 80GB VRAM GPU in GCP. Works well for us.

comparing a laptop to a A100 (312 teraFLOPS) or H100 (~1P FLOPS) server is a stretch to say the least.

An M2 is according to a reddit post around 27 tflops

So What workflow would use something like this?

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Post by culi »

BrentOzar wrote: post #9

The M4 Max goes up to 128GB RAM, and "over half a terabyte per second of unified memory bandwidth" - LLM users rejoice.

you'd probably save money just paying for a VPS. And you wouldn't cook your personal laptop as fast. Not that people nowadays keep their electronics for long enough for that to matter :/

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Post by hammock »

monocasa wrote: post #495
davidczech wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s usually filmed on weekends

You would just think that with a brand so intrinsically wrapped around the concept of technology working for and with the people that use it, you'd want to show the people who made it if you're going to show the apple campus at all. It kind of just comes off as one of those YouTube liminal space horror videos when it's that empty.

The Apple brand is - foundationally - pretty solitary.

Think about the early ipod ads, just individuals dancing to music by themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dSgBsCVpqo

You can even go back to 1983 "Two kinds of people": a solitary man walks into an empty office, works by himself on the computer and then goes home for breakfast. https://youtu.be/4xmMYeFmc2Q

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