US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

Post by xvector » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 1:38 AM UTC

gitaarik wrote: post #214

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My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane). Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

I wonder, how are you "driving"? Are you sitting behind the wheel doing nothing except watch really good everything the car does so you can take over when needed? Isn't that a stressful experience? Wouldn't it be more comfortable to just do everything yourself so you know nothing weird can happen? Also, if the car does something crazy, how much time do you have to react? I can imagine in some situations you might hav…

Post by _ea1k » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 1:59 AM UTC

valval wrote: post #342

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Because it is bad enough that people really do supervise it. I see people who say that wouldn't happen because the drivers become complacent. Maybe that could be a problem with future versions, but I don't see it happening with 12.3.x. I've also heard that driver attention monitoring is pretty good in the later versions, but I have no first hand experience yet.

Very good point. The product that requires supervision and tells the user to keep their hands on the wheel every 10 seconds is not good enough to be used unsupervised. I wonder how things are inside your head. Are you ignorant or affected by some strong bias?

Post by tapoxi » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 2:08 AM UTC

fallingknife wrote: post #200

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Are we really relegating drivers licenses to "bureaucratic compliance"? If FSD is being used in a public road, it impacts everyone on that road, not just the person who opted-in to using FSD. I absolutely want an independent agency to ensure it's safe and armed with the data that proves it.

What else are they? You jump through hoops to get a piece of plastic from the government that declares you "safe." And then holders of those licenses go out and kill 40,000 people every year just in the US.

Post by jazzyjackson » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 2:21 AM UTC

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Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean the correct thing to do is to remain in the lane. If remaining in your lane is likely to make someone else do something reckless, you should have been proactive. Not legally, for the sake of being a good driver.

Can you point to some online documentation that recommends changing lanes in preference to speeding up when a person is merging at too slow a speed? What I'm doing is following CHP guidance in this post: https://www.facebook.com/chpmarin/posts/lets-talk-about-merg... """Finally, if you are the vehicle already traveling in the slow lane, show some common courtesy and do what you can to create a space for the person by…

Post by diebeforei485 » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 2:27 AM UTC

rvnx wrote: post #301

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Is Tesla required to report system failures or the vehicle damaging itself? How do we know they're not optimizing for the benchmark (what they're legally required to report)?

If the question is: “was FSD activated at the time of the accident: yes/no”, they can legally claim no, for example if luckily the FSD disconnects half a second before a dangerous situation (eg: glare obstructing cameras), which may coincide exactly with the times of some accidents.