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Post by lovecg »

strunz wrote: post #391
cm2012 wrote: post #379

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Meta spends a lot more money trying not to read children's data than actually read it. You can't even bid to serve ads to people under 18 on Meta.

You sure about that? https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/business/google-meta-reportedl...

1) This is Google ads, not Meta 2) Google is definitely being sneaky here with targeting to the “unknown” category, but technically speaking they’re not targeting kids - just everyone who they don’t explicitly know is an adult. It’s an interesting legal question, it does seem to violate the spirit of the law somehow.

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Post by brk »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #479
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #416

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I think the preferred term is contentpreneur now, not influencer.

I'm never gonna remember that

You won’t need to. If it’s a thing it’ll be in 10,000 SEO spam headlines, on every other social media everything and repeated on TV newscasts and 1 out of every 2 podcasts.

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Post by grahamj »

bryan0 wrote: post #365

While still pretty clunky, I think I'd rather wear these for extended periods of time than Vision Pro glasses (100g vs 600g). This is the type of v1 minimalist design I was hoping Apple would go for. I assume Apple investigated this path but realized they would be cost prohibitive? (although when has that ever stopped Apple before?)

It's not cost; waveguide displays are not great.

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Post by fennecbutt »

gorjusborg wrote: post #488
moralestapia wrote: post #465

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>no guarantees anywhere in plain sight on privacy Elaborate. Do you mean this with regards to the data that users will generate when using the device? Or the privacy of the people around the wearer?

I could not care less about the the privacy of the weirdos who will try to wear these in public. I care deeply about the further normalization of surveillance capitalism. I try hard to be kind, but I will have very little patience for any individual who wears always-on cameras that infringe on my privacy. I don't use social media for a reason. Meta just wants to sell surveillance devices so they can collect more data…

You do realise you can be filmed openly in public places, right?

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Post by beart »

zmmmmm wrote: post #467
beart wrote: post #459

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I was under the impression VR is really bad for kids eyes.

If you put kids in them 8 hours a day, it would be a concern (although I don't think there is substantive evidence either way yet). I think there's a safe middle ground where using something like this for up to couple of hours in a day at most is very unlikely to have any significant effect. It's just not enough fraction of the time to cause a major impact, especially older kids (teens).

I don't know, that seems like a lot of assumptions about an unproven technology.

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Post by beart »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #398

as a lifelong glasses wearer I don't understand why anyone would want to increase the time & activities involving wearing glasses, especially big, clunky ones. Make Zuck wear these 20 hrs/day in all weather & activities for a few decades, then get back to us. edit: though I got to admit it has advanced "not hotdog" capabilities...

As a fellow glasses wearer, my first question was - will these ever be usable by people with poor vision? A quick google search indicates ~63% of US adults wear prescription lenses.

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Post by Onawa »

underlipton wrote: post #480
jazzyjackson wrote: post #217

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I agree, and I also think that walking around to items positioned statically in space is a really dumb way to do embodied computing. I mean if an app is associated with your kitchen fridge or whatever fine, pin it to your kitchen fridge, but if I'm going to be enveloped in an omnidirectional high def display, I want a way to bring the windows to me , not have to move my body to different windows. Anyway, Logitech mad…

I disagree. Physical activity enhances mental well-being and the quality of cognition. A system that allows one to design their workspace with regular movement in mind is going to be a boon for people who are usually chained to a desk for purely virtual work, forced to navigate cramped UI with their finger. Say I'm editing a video; you're telling me my media bin could be a literal bin a few steps away, allowing me to…

Reminds me of the Community VR episode. JESUS WEPT!!! https://youtu.be/z4FGzE4endQ

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Post by Espressosaurus »

dexterdog wrote: post #491
moralestapia wrote: post #461

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Even if it turns out that the only application of this is to show ads (which will not be the case), the hardware alone is a monumental achievement of engineering. I would love to see ads on these, at least once. In contrast, I've never had any interest to even try Apple's VR headset. This is one of the most well-put v1 products ever. Avoid the MKDBHC trap (or however it's spelled). Innovation beats cynicism, every da…

How is this a v1 product when they have oculus?

AR and VR are not remotely the same thing.

See-through AR and pass-through VR are not remotely the same thing.

AR is much harder.

They have quite an accomplishment with those glasses, even if image quality isn't great and they're still too heavy.

I still don't see a problem that these solve at any price, which has been the enduring problem with AR and makes me bearish on if a next generation of these glasses is anything more than an expensive toy.

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Post by sfink »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #431
Animats wrote: post #399

Nice hardware. They're down to swim goggle size. Then you see what Facebook wants you to do with it - see screens in front of you all the time. One with Facebook's "Recommended" page, and a video of some talking neckbeard. There's a feeling of "we were promised virtual reality, and all we got was talking heads of influencers." The hardware apparently has GPS, but that's turned off. So, no Pokemon Go yet. Not even Hyp…

Further evidence to the truth of this: The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. –Jeff Hammerbacher Oh lament! for what, not just the future, but the present, could have been. Edited to add: But! Even as I have just written that and stand by it, I just don't know if humanity could have done it any other way. One must sell their soul to 'the green', even just a little, to have th…

VHS, the early internet, video compression, and other advances were driven by porn.

Now it seems like ads are driving everything. (Sure, including ads on porn, but I highly doubt porn dominates the ad market overall.)

It seems like the widespread adoption that drives and is driven by technological progress always comes down to catering to some base urge. I guess if you zoom out, everything is driven by base urges, just more or less directly?

So far, the puzzle pieces have always been found in the filthy heap of slop the feeds our primitive brains. We have not yet elected someone because they're the wisest, best fit for the position. It's always the person who can stroke our egos and soothe our fears, who lies with a smile that we choose to trust even when we know it's a lie. It's always a lie. We buy the product that makes us feel best to buy. Sometimes these happen to momentarily coincide with our best interests, but usually not, and never after the competition for our eyeballs and gonads has been minmaxed. Rational superiority is never the deciding factor—even when we convince ourselves that it is, it's that conviction that makes us feel good and determines our action.

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