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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by grumple »

fortran77 wrote: post #135
miohtama wrote: post #29

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I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?

Hezbollah has been firing missiles non-stop at Israel since 10/7. 60,000 Israelis had to relocate from the North. This is not an escalation.

This is the most relevant point, yet downvoted. Hezbollah decided to pile-on and attack Israel (at Iran's urging, to support their other proxy Hamas). Prior to that, there hadn't been serious conflict between the two states in years.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by newspaper1 »

afavour wrote: post #498
newspaper1 wrote: post #474

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If a bomb blew up next to me in a grocery store, even if I wasn't injured, I'd consider myself "targeted" and that the people who exploded it were my enemy. Imagine that actually happening while you were at Safeway.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by borski »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #497
borski wrote: post #480

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Once again: watch any of the videos. The vast majority of them involve anyone standing around the operative walking away just fine. This was a targeted attack. Some civilians got hurt, but the intent was not to harm them, and that is the point.

> Once again: watch any of the videos What makes you think that I did not watch them? And why do you think a few videos circulating online are representative of a few thousands explosions? > Some civilians got hurt, but the intent was not to harm them What makes „some“ any different than a hundred or a million? How can you be certain of the intent if civilian casualties were/should have been anticipated?

Didn’t mean to imply you hadn’t watched them at all; was simply trying to use them as evidence.

> What makes „some“ any different than a hundred or a million? How can you be certain of the intent if civilian casualties were/should have been anticipated?

The point I’m trying to make is that there was a very small amount of explosive in each device. They could have added more material had they wanted to do more damage.

There were many ways to make this far more damaging, and they could simply have shot rockets or bombs from the air.

This was a targeted attack, focused on the specific users of these devices, who are Hezbollah militants. Bystanders were not intended to be harmed, which makes this, by definition, a discriminate and surgical attack on Hezbollah militants.

I’m not really sure what about that isn’t clear.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by SergeAx »

Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

Terrorism, by definition, is directed against civilians. Hezbollah militants are not civilians. Hezbollah is recognized as a terrorist organization by US, EU, Canada and League of Arab States among others. The declared goal of Hezbollah is to fight US and Israel.

Pagers and radios are used for their communication. That means that it is a military equipment.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by y-curious »

bawolff wrote: post #420
rowanseymour wrote: post #384

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Hezbollah is the government in southern Lebanon so when you throw around "combatant" you're including a lot of civil servants, doctors, teachers etc.

Were those people targeted or only the hezbollah military wing? So far it seems like there isn't much specific info out there on this point.

No info, yet. Still curious how they went from supply chain to the end targets. It's not like Hezbollah leaders met with a guy in a trenchcoat and were told "only hand this out to your top guys, these pagers/walkies are really good!"

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Post by y-curious »

drawkward wrote: post #307
csmpltn wrote: post #236

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The difference is that the USA is going to get dragged into a regional war it has no business being in.

Gotta protect our military base in the Middle Ea- oops, I meant our "greatest ally" in the Middle East!

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Post by hdivider »

trallnag wrote: post #322
hdivider wrote: post #173

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Except not in NATO, Five Eyes, or even a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. In real terms, they're definitely among the more problematic allies. Compared with Germany, UK, France, Australia, Canada, etc.

This is a blatant lie. For example, as part of operation Rubikon Germany and the US spied on Spain, a NATO ally, among other targets. It's commonplace to spy on each other.

I don't understand the 'lie' part here. How is what I stated false? The rest of what you said doesn't invalidate my points.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

rozap wrote: post #202
1oooqooq wrote: post #136

I guess we now know what intelligence org had the know how for supply chain attacks we we're thinking impossible a few years ago... Thank god they are our allies. :)

Israel is not really an ally. They routinely spy on the US, and according the the CIA, spy on us as aggressively as the Chinese and Russians do. During the Cold war, they used intel as a bargaining chip and passed classified material to the Soviets. Their nuclear program was started primarily with stolen radioactive material that they exfiltrated from the US. These stories go on and on and on, and they're just the on…

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Post by lukan »

Ancapistani wrote: post #451
lukan wrote: post #416

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"solar panels" That is news to me. Who reported so?

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/lebanons-offi...

"home solar energy systems exploded in several areas of Beirut"

Sounds more like the battery exploded, not the panel. That would be a weird and difficult attack vector.

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