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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

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I don't think the difference is European in nature, I think that immigrants 100 years ago have a totally different experience than today.

I can only speak to my family's history and that I saw growing up, but my great-grandfather was an immigrant from a Slavic region (to be technical, Poland didn't exist yet, but he was a Catholic who spoke Polish).

To make a long story short, none of his kids ever spoke Polish. That wasn't familial pressure, but the physical and emotional abuse inflicted on children in schools to beat the slav out of them if they acted or sounded "fresh off the boat" - to the point where four generations later, all of us know that phrase because it's been said to us one way or another.

Contrast this with the most recent wave of Polish immigration to the same neighborhoods almost 80 years later. These are kids I grew up with. They had Polish clubs in school, they went to "Polish school," they spoke the language fluently and publicly, and to a certain degree that was celebrated by the rest of the community. The external pressure not to be Polish is essentially gone.

I don't have a grand point here, it's just something I think about a lot in these debates. I learned what the experience of my ancestors was, and saw something of what happened to my peers, and the only difference was 100 years. It seems to me the difference between what we think of as assimilation is really how likely a community is to join the melting pot depending on the internal or external pressures on that community.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

#502

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Brain drain to the US helps the US, yes. The key word there is the brain. What doesn't help is taking in unskilled and manual laborers; that only creates downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on housing prices and other scarce resources, even before we get to any correlation with crime. Countries with a highly successful immigration system, notably Canada, do it by being highly merit-based, for education and…

> Countries with a highly successful immigration system, notably Canada

You probably aren't aware of this but that is definitely not the sentiment with Canadians recently.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/top/?sort=top&t=year

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

#503

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

If voters are concerned about crime, then the need to educated that immigrants, even illegal immigrants, have crime rates about the same as Americans at large.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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the obsession with gun rights is doing your country far more harm than highly intelligent immigrants ever will

I honestly don't see it. Statistically or otherwise. Even if it were. It's a protected unalienable right. Cannot under any circumstances be circumvented. In my opinion of course.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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it would be polite to act magnanimously in stating that America is not the only country with this behaviour, really I'm glad to see that the American god complex affects those across all walks of life

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It's a good band name

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

I support immigration too, as long as it's people we vet. Smart people want to live here, and will jump through hoops to do so. We should make the hoops easier for them, and actually deport people who spit in their faces by waltzing over the border and staying. It's not fair to the hard-working honest people who played by the rules. Also, you should be concerned about the crime. Have you seen what the cartel does in…

> Have you seen what the cartel does in Mexico?

The ones the DEA has partnered with[0], arms[1], and enables through backward drug policy[2]?

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel#Alleged_collusi...

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

2: https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/how-100-years-failed-...

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are.

So, if we're concerned about crime, let's create a set of laws where we can A) get the immigrants we need for demographic and workforce reasons, but B) where we can actually screen and be selective.

Plugging our ears and relying upon illegal migrants isn't going to result in good outcomes.

> It is not desirable to have separate ethnic groups who "share the same language, culture and faith" distinct from the mainstream.

The desirable place is somewhere in the middle. We benefit from distinct identities and varied culture, but we also need to reach enough of a common ground to pull as one nation and for two random people to be able to get along meaningfully.

A whole lot of joys that I experience in life come from the ways we're varied, but breaking into enclaves would prevent those joys and weaken us.

We tend to reach various kinds of overreactions. Respect for diversity is great, but not to the point to completely reject integration. The avoidance of appropriation-- avoiding adopting traditions of another culture without attribution or respect-- is important, but not to the extent that it prevents mixing or getting along.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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The path from Jewish emancipation in law to Jewish integration in practice was slowed and stymied by antisemitism at every turn, to greater and lesser degrees in different countries. It is hard to believe that Jews were ever regarded as true equals, broadly, in a country which willingly handed over so many to the Nazis. And of course in Spain, Jews were not full citizens and the practice of Judaism was simply forbidd…

the people who “handed over so many to the nazis” - what makes you think they wouldn’t or didn’t gladly hand over non-jews if the regime demanded it? your point about judaism being forbidden in spain until 1978 is shocking, thank you for that. I would strongly recommend the following essay, which I read in an ethics class and found extremely powerful. The essay argues that humans can relatively easily be persuaded or…

It may interest you that private confession of Islam was legal under Franco, but public practice of Islam, or the building of mosques, was banned in Spain until 1989. All of this goes back to the Reconquista and the Inquisition in the late 1400s, when Muslims and Jews were forced to convert, synagogues and mosques were repurposed as churches (and not coincidentally, ham became the national dish). Franco's version of fascism was merely a continuation of that.

That being said, you can't practice Christianity or Judaism openly in Saudi Arabia to this day. Looking at it from Mecca, the point of origin of the Caliphates, to their furthest extent into Europe in Spain (or the Balkans) you can still see the traces of extremist religious bans existing on both sides. Jews tend to get caught in the middle and slaughtered at each turn, as they need to seek accommodations with whichever larger religion is in power in order to survive, and then are seen as enemies by the other one.

All this is written on the streets and buildings of Granada, Spain, where ancient Jewish stars adorn old buildings where there are no Jews, where the oldest church was once a mosque, and the Alhambra, symbol of the Caliphate and its civilization, is the largest tourist attraction in Europe... where the markets sell everything Arabic yet the day to day interaction of Muslims and Christians is fraught, each understanding very well their own history in the place. And where it is very, very strange to be one of the only Jews... with both Christians and Muslims hating you and claiming to protect you.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

#509

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

You have a wonderful skill at keeping the temperature down on hot issues. I know a simple upvote would suffice but I wanted to drop a compliment here regarding this talent of yours.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

Unskilled labor isn't a thing. There are plenty of people who can go from zero skill to writing decent python in a weekend (literally better than I've seen on some production systems) if given the chance. The same goes for building houses or airplanes. In real life, shit just isn't that complicated if someone is willing to spend a couple hours teaching the basics.

Crowdstrike? Is that you?
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