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Panic at the Job Market

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Post by janalsncm »

abvdasker wrote: post #444
fallinditch wrote: post #279

The current state of the tech job market, as discussed here, highlights a significant opportunity for grassroots innovation. While we're focusing on the challenges, we might be overlooking the potential for creating new, more resilient models of work and business. Consider the rise of digital cooperatives or platform co-ops. These could provide an alternative to the traditional tech company structure, offering worker…

I've thought about this a bit and have decided the main barrier to realizing a software development worker co-op is getting together the sufficient startup capital. A handful of regular tech workers probably lack the liquid capital to self-fund a company. And good luck convincing a VC to invest in a worker coop. The easiest business to build like this would be a software consultancy since it doesn't actually require…

The H1B visa is one reason. Unions function by constraining the supply of labor. If companies can simply import labor, you can’t constrain supply. Bonus points if you can underpay the immigrants.

H1B should be much more heavily scrutinized. And for those who are granted visas, their compensation needs to be exceptional, so that it doesn’t compete with American workers.

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Post by icedchai »

rafaelmn wrote: post #301
bmitc wrote: post #249

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> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…

> As in, a person who has used and learned a dozen plus languages but only tacitly used C++ suddenly will be a complete invalid when trying to write in C++? I've switched at least 5 languages professionally and used probably 5 more for extended periods of time and wrote a decent chunk of C++ "back in the day". I'd say C++ is the least suitable for "learn on the job" approach out of any language I can think of (I'm lu…

Same. I wrote C++ "professionally" for ~5ish years out of my 25 year career and would only consider myself a novice in the language.

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Post by localfirst »

koliber wrote: post #436

The job market is weird. It seems there are more and more candidates on the market. However, whenever I recruit for senior roles, it seems the candidates are less and less skilled. This is highly anecdotal. The job post is the same: sr. java developer. Everyone has 5+ years of experience. I need someone who can: - explain in depth how a HashMap works - verbally pseudocode a program that solves a problem, where an ade…

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Post by hadlock »

paxys wrote: post #205
kredd wrote: post #64

It really sucks right now, but recent grads and juniors are suffering the most right now, to my understanding. There's an over-production of CS grads, as the industry looked very lucrative, so a lot of people decided to go software engineering route. It's hard to make a case for start ups to bet on inexperienced people. For mature companies, why pay for 2 juniors, when you can get a senior for 1.5 price, who might do…

Nowadays a lot of companies are hiring new grads through their internship pipeline only . So to be able to break into the industry you have to start looking for jobs in your ~sophomore year of college and hope to keep getting return offers.

I wish high schools taught this more. If you do 3 internships in college, you'll likely (if you didn't sleep through them) have at least 1, if not 2 job offers when you graduate. Plus some actual job references, and three years of "work experience".

Don't sleep on internships

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Post by 0xfaded »

salty_biscuits wrote: post #483
klyrs wrote: post #287

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As a literal graph theorist, I cannot tell you how frustrating it is that (a) nobody seems to understand my work except (b) interviewers use it as a shibboleth to exclude people from jobs that will never need high performance graph algorithms. That, I never get called for these interviews because I don't use react angles or something, but if they did, I'd crush the interview and fall asleep at my desk once they start…

It is fun if you ever find yourself in this situation because you can play the uno reverse card on the interviewer and ask to clarify with impenetrable jargon and look for rising panic (can I assume the graph contains a Hamiltonian circuit? etc, etc)

An African swallow or a European swallow?

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Post by xyzniels »

The easy answer is stop being such a 'servant' and work on per project basis. I'm yet to understand why people are so prone to being slaves of corporations. It's the most degrading experience with zero motivation on the job. Just retake your dignity.

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Post by 486sx33 »

In a market with a population of 150k. I ran a job ad and got 292 applicants in under 24 hrs

2 years ago, I’d be lucky to get 8 applicants in a week, with probably 4-6 of those living in India or Pakistan with no way to North America

So it’s an absolutely exponential job market crash. Most are sitting tight currently, no one wants to play musical chairs and be left standing.

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Post by Ancalagon »

salty_biscuits wrote: post #483
klyrs wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a literal graph theorist, I cannot tell you how frustrating it is that (a) nobody seems to understand my work except (b) interviewers use it as a shibboleth to exclude people from jobs that will never need high performance graph algorithms. That, I never get called for these interviews because I don't use react angles or something, but if they did, I'd crush the interview and fall asleep at my desk once they start…

It is fun if you ever find yourself in this situation because you can play the uno reverse card on the interviewer and ask to clarify with impenetrable jargon and look for rising panic (can I assume the graph contains a Hamiltonian circuit? etc, etc)

OP should start interviewing just to record this exact scenario - then share it here for the sweet, sweet schadenfreude.

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

greybox wrote: post #485
gosub100 wrote: post #322

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Does that company hire or recruiter hire h1b? In order to get h1b approval, you have to make the case that "we interviewed x,000 people and we just can't find any qualified applicants! ". I'm starting to suspect that the industry has learned to set salaries low and churn enough applicants in order to reduce costs. One way to churn them is to do a phone screen and find a quick way to legally get rid of them. Then once…

[reference needed] - I read a study from a few years ago suggesting that H1B Visa hires on average get paid more than hires from inside the US.

That’s a requirement of a h1b in fact.

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Post by appletruffle »

Simon_ORourke wrote: post #497

I'm hiring two senior SWE roles right now, after many many months alternatively cajoling and threatening various VPs in my org. They kinda admitted at the start of the year we were due some headcount after some other engineers left last year... But I digress. Today alone I spent three hours going through resumes generated mostly by ChatGPT to find anyone with even sufficient experience to make it to interview. I spen…

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