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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

SomaticPirate wrote: post #404
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #402

ImageFX fails at both of my tests: 1. Generating an image of "a group of catgirls activating a summoning circle". Anything related to catgirls tends to get tagged as sexual or NSFW so it's censored. Unsurprising. 2. The lamb described in Book of Revelation. Asking for it directly or pasting in the passage where the lamb is described both fail to generate any images. Normally this fails because there's not much art of…

I think this comment is peak Hackernews… dripping with sarcasm and minimizing a significant engineering accomplishment

There's nothing sarcastic about my comment. It highlights key limitations of the system with clear examples. Considering the number of world-class engineers and effectively infinite resources available to Google it's just a disappointing release. Both examples are things that I care about and which other people aren't discussing, so I think adding my voice to the conversation is a net positive.

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Post by astrange »

darby_eight wrote: post #134
esafak wrote: post #116

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The endgame of that is that people will leave.

I'm somewhat surprised people still watch YouTube with the horrible recommendations and non-stop spam

YouTube actually has really good recommendations and comments these days.

In fact I would say the comments are too good. They clearly have something ranking them for "niceness" but it makes them impossibly sentimental. Like I watched a bunch of videos about 70s rock recently and every single comment was about how someone's family member just died of cancer and how much they loved listening to it.

Re: Veo

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Post by astrange »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #304
brikym wrote: post #279

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Progress? There are loads of downsides the AI fans won't acknowledge. It diminishes human value/creativity and will be owned and controlled by the wealthiest people. It's not like the horse being replaced by the tractor. This time it's different there is no place to move to but doing nothing on a UBI (best case). That same power also opens the door to dystopian levels of censorship and surveillance. I see more of the…

>Progress? There are loads of downsides the AI fans won't acknowledge. I don’t know if this is true. >It diminishes human value/creativity I don’t see this at all, I see it as enhancing creativity and human value. >and will be owned and controlled by the wealthiest people. There are a lot of open source models being created, even if they are being released by Meta… >It's not like the horse being replaced by the tract…

> So, like, you wouldn’t do anything if you could just chill on UBI all day? If anything I’d get more creative.

There is a lot of empirical research on UBI and all of it shows that it has very little effect on employment either way. That is, nothing will change here.

(This is probably because 1. positional goods exist 2. romantic prospects don't like it when you're unemployed even if you're rich.)

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Post by astrange »

mrbungie wrote: post #274
localfirst wrote: post #180

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We have to take account that this community (good chunk have stakes in YC and a lot to gain from secondary shares in OpenAI) and platform is going to favor its own and be aware that Sam Altman is the golden boy of YC's founder after all. So of course you are going to see snarky comments and straight up denial in the competition. We saw that yesterday in the comments with the release of GPT4o in anticipation of Gemini…

The amount of copium in this response is astounding. Yes, there is a noticeable negative response from HN towards Google, and there has always been especially when speaking about their weird product management practices and incentives. Google hasn't launched any notable (and still surviving, Stadia being a sad example of this) consumer product or service in the last 10 years. But to suggest there is a Sam Altman / Op…

> Google hasn't launched any notable (and still surviving, Stadia being a sad example of this) consumer product or service in the last 10 years.

Google Photos is less than 10 years old and I think a lot of people use it.

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Post by astrange »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #272
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #221

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It’s tiring. Same thing happened to the GPT-4o announcement yesterday. Apparently because there’s no unquestionable AGI 14 months after GPT-4 then everything sucks. I always found HN contrarian but as I say it’s really tiring. I’ve no idea what the negative commenters are working on on a daily basis to be so dismissive of everybody else’s work, including work that leaves 90% of the population in a combination of awe…

AI is a pretty direct threat to software engineering. It's no surprise people are hostile towards it. Come 2030, how do you justify a paying someone $175k/yr when a $20/mo app is 95% as good, and the other 5% can be done by someone making $40k/yr?

Productivity improvements are good for workers; you should ask yourself why the invention of the compiler didn't cause this to happen already.

Or why the existence of the UK hasn't, since they have a lot of English speaking programmers paid in peanuts.

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Post by dongping »

sdenton4 wrote: post #361
salamo wrote: post #353

The first thing I will do when I get access to this is ask it to generate a realistic chess board. I have never gotten a decent looking chessboard with any image generator that doesn't have deformed pieces, the correct number of squares, squares properly in a checkerboard pattern, pieces placed in the correct position, board oriented properly (white on the right!) and not an otherwise illegal position. It seems to be…

This strikes me as equally "AI complete" as drawing hands, which is now essentially a solved problem... No one test is sufficient, because you can add enough training data to address it.

Not sure about better models, but DALL-E3 still seems to be having problems with hands:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/1afhemf/is_it_possi...

https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/1cdks71/a_hand_with...

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Post by astrange »

falcor84 wrote: post #248
KorematsuFredt wrote: post #224

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> Google’s problem has always been in product follow through. Google is large enough to not care about small opportunities. It ends up focusing on bigger opportunities that only it can execute well. Google's ability to shut down products that dont work is an insult to user but a very good corporate strategy and they deserve kudos for that. Now, coming back to the "follow through". Google Search, Gmail, Chrome, Androi…

> coming back to the "follow through". Google Search, Gmail, Chrome, Android, Photos, Drive, Cloud etc. all are excellent examples of Google's long term commitment Do you have any examples of something they launched in the last decade?

Photos was launched in the last decade.

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

cryptoz wrote: post #388
paxys wrote: post #370

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That's not true at all. I have seen northern lights with my own eyes that were more neon green and bright purple than any mainstream photo.

There's a middle ground here. I saw the northern lights with my own eyes just days ago and it was mostly grey. I saw some color. But when I took a photo with a phone camera, the color absolutely popped . So it may be that you've seen more color than any photo, but the average viewer in Seattle this past weekend saw grey-er with their eyes and huge color in their phone photos. (Edit: it was still super-cool even if gr…

The human retina effectively combines a color sensor with a monochrome sensor. The monochrome channel is more light-sensitive. When the lights are dim, we'll dilate our pupils, but there's only so much we can do to increase exposure. So in dim light we see mostly in grayscale, even if that light is strongly colored in spectral terms.

Phone cameras have a Bayer filter which means they only have RGB color-sensing. The Bayer filter cuts out some incoming light and dims the received image, compared with what a monochrome camera would see. But that's how you get color photos.

To compensate for a lack of light, the phone boosts the gain and exposure time until it gets enough signal to make an image. When it eventually does get an image, it's getting a color image. This comes at the cost of some noise and motion-blur, but it's that or no image at all.

If phone cameras had a mix of RGB and monochrome sensors like the human eye does, low-light aurora photos might end up closer to matching our own perception.

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Post by LZ_Khan »

neverokay wrote: post #461

I really just need to make some porn with this stuff already and I feel like we’re all tip toeing around this key feature. Censored models are not going to work and we need someone to charge for an explicit model already that we can trust.

Oh there's a lot of ai generated porn clips floating around the internet.
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