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Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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> 1. Google isn't working well any more. This is so true. It’s pain to search for anything undeterministic with nowadays. I usually find myself putting double quotes on every single word I’m interested in and Google still brings unrelated results.

Have you tried verbatim mode? I use it by default.

Could you explain how to use verbatim mode please? For anyone else reading in the future as well.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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I routinely speak with said creator of website). I have let him know this thread is here to appreciate the wide conversation on here. I do genuinely love that I write 13,000 words on issues with AI on the site to little response. But some of the more silly stuff like this is the higher traction stuff on the site. Just glad to see said author is getting the attention he deserves.

There’s currently so many words about AI everyday that I just don’t care any more. There’s a very obvious trend taking place with AI that the fanboys are willfully ignoring while contributing to it at the same time while those not drinking of the AI kool-aid sit back and watch history repeat itself. So when things not related to AI are posted, it stands out and gains traction.

And that is a beautiful thing to watch from a far. :D

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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> 1. Google isn't working well any more. This is so true. It’s pain to search for anything undeterministic with nowadays. I usually find myself putting double quotes on every single word I’m interested in and Google still brings unrelated results.

I'm curious. Why do you use Google if you don't like their results?

I use it for deterministic things. If I’m looking for something specific or a well known thing, it simply gets me the results I’m looking for.

For anything that’s indeterministic, it just brings me garbage. The same with YouTube as well. I’m searching for a specific thing about a particular library and it’s showing me stupid definition blogs or useless garbage. I apologize for my crudeness but no other words can describe it.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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My default is Duckduckgo but in the recent weeks they have massively upped how abrasive their ads are. Nothing wrong with there being search related ads but the sheer volume is getting out of control.

Hi, I work at DuckDuckGo - thanks for the feedback. Nothing much has changed in the past few weeks on our side, and so would love some more info so we can investigate. Do you mind sharing what country you are searching from, and whether you noticed on desktop or mobile? Also just FYI — you can turn ads off completely in settings if you want.

I am based in Australia. I am not sure if it is the quantity has increased, but their size definitely has. I usually have to scroll a full screen down before I start seeing non-paid results. I am on a desktop machine, mobile has been absolutely fine.

Also didn't know you could turn them off. I don't mind ads to support businesses when it is reasonable and DDG is a decent business. I just hope you folks don't try to keep up with the giants by playing their game. ;)

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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PageRank isn't working well anymore. I use DDG, but it its quality is also flagging.

Yeah, DDG quality seems abysmal for many of my searches now. I'll then switch to Brave, which sometimes finds what I'm looking for. I rarely ever check Google or Bing as a fallback, but when I do it feels like a screenful of ads and it isn't any more helpful (except Google Image search). Part of the problem seems like a recency bias in search results. I notice sites frequently update pages with new timestamps, but no…

I would be happy with an even simpler solution. Give me a blacklist domains or sites. There are 50 or so sites that I never want to see posts from. It’s not one or two that I can add an exclusion in my searches.

Second, give me a way to express semantic meaning of something. If I’m searching for rust, let me choose programming language for example. I find myself adding various one word tags to limit the search results.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Personally I have one use case left for Google: Product Search. If I'm looking to buy something, I will frequently end up using Google. The engine that matches my product search to a relevant ad is excellent. Basically anytime you need to search for something that could lead to a purchase of a physical product, Google will be extremely useful. For services and software you can't use Google, you will get hustled by fa…

I can't believe how terrible product search is on Instacart - I place orders on there pretty frequently for my mom, and Petco is the worst. I will search for "wellness chicken cat food" - and wellness has chicken cat food in a few different textures, so it seems like those should at least be on the page of search results, if not the top results. Not always so! At the very least I will have to scroll a ways down the p…

Meijer (grocery store) is the same. Until a short while ago, you even had to match the capitalization of the product you were searching for. And we are not even talking about different writings of the same Unicode characters (ê etc.) with different bytes.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Google be like: this website performs well on the ranking, does it have AdSense, no, downrank.

OP's website is heavy with affiliate link listicles, which have been recently heavily downranked in favor of forums and content like Reddit and Quora.

OP complaining about getting delisted when he was gaming the algorithm in the first place.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Personally I don't think for-profit surgery, or for-profit medicine generally, is a legitimate business. It might open up as a possibility when every person has access to the medical care they need, but that seems far off. Email spam is cheaper than news paper adverts, does that make it "legitimate"? Because that seems to be your argument here.

Personally I don't think for-profit surgery, or for-profit medicine generally, is a legitimate business. Sorry, but I'm not willing to have this discussion. As I said, you'd better grow up and face the realities of the world you live in.

Why did you start it then? A lack of self control?

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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If there is any chance I’ll use some web content again, I generally copy and paste the bit I want into the notes app on iOS. You know it’s bad when you trust Apple’s search function over Google.

This, I am a terrible note taker. For years a huge part my knowledge and skills relied on "if I found that information once, I'll find it again". My brain compressed the information by memorizing the path to retrieve it again. Now that does not work anymore. You know some information is out there, you found it once when google worked, now it's lost in the noise. I'm learning to take notes again and organize them so I…

Yep, i print to pdf a lot now.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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> Why do you care as a search engine? Wait, are you really asking why a search engine would care how well it finds what the user is looking for? Granted, there are a lot of search engines that sell themselves on other metrics ("it's fast!" or "it uses AI!" or "it's in the cloud!") but any serious search engine player strives to learn how good it is -- in practise -- at helping the user find what they are looking for.…

> Wait, are you really asking why a search engine would care how well it finds what the user is looking for? While a useful metric, it's an unknowable metric. 1. You have no idea if the user even knows what they are looking for, so how would you know that they found it? 2. You have no idea if the user found what they are looking for, maybe what they are looking for isn't on the internet? 3. You have no idea if the us…

I disagree. It's unfortunate that some users don't know what they want, some want things that don't exist, and that some are cats. But most users are humans with a rough idea of an existing thing they are looking for. It's worth it for a search solution to find out how good it is at helping them. The cats add noise to that measurement, they don't invalidate it.

Do you philosophically agree there are websites that are more successful than others? If yes, then there are tangible qualities that distinguish this group from the other. They may be subjective, fuzzy, and hard to pin down, but they're still there. If no, a success measure is irrelevant to you but other people might disagree, and once thoroughly investigated, you sort of have to agree the measurement coming out of it reflects their idea of success.

In none of this am I saying it's simple or easy (I started this subthread by saying it's difficult!) but fundamentally knowable.

Yes, humans talking to humans is definitely the start. But then I'm posivistically enough inclined that I think with effort we can extract theories from these human interactions.

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