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Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by Workaccount2 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #482
bearjaws wrote: post #423

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I feel like Lex has gone full 'both sides' at this point, waiting for him to have Alex Jones on at this point. There is no real commentary to pull from his interviews, at best you get some interesting stories but not the truth.

That is a strength, not a weakness. It's valuable to see why people, even those with whom we disagree, think the way they do. There's already far too much of a tendency to expel heretics in today's society, so the fact that Lex just patiently listens to people is a breath of fresh air.

I felt that way until he had Carlson on. Carlson is a grade A TV talking head grifter who just spins up sensationalist narratives to drive views. No background, no expertise, just a guy who mastered which buttons to push to get average joe's raging.

Lex says he wants open honest conversation, but Carlson was just doing the same stunningly dishonest grift he does every time he has a mic in front of him. So dumb.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by miohtama »

matsemann wrote: post #75
bbig wrote: post #4

They've got a console for it as well, https://www.meta.ai/ And announcing a lot of integration across the Meta product suite, https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/meta-ai-assistant-built-wi... Neglected to include comparisons against GPT-4-Turbo or Claude Opus, so I guess it's far from being a frontier model. We'll see how it fares in the LLM Arena.

> Meta AI isn't available yet in your country Where is it available? I got this in Norway.

The EU does not want you to have the AI.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by m12k »

paxys wrote: post #240
eigenvalue wrote: post #231

I just want to express how grateful I am that Zuck and Yann and the rest of the Meta team have adopted an open approach and are sharing the model weights, the tokenizer, information about the training data, etc. They, more than anyone else, are responsible for the explosion of open research and improvement that has happened with things like llama.cpp that now allow you to run quite decent models locally on consumer h…

You can see from Zuck's interviews that he is still an engineer at heart. Every other big tech company has lost that kind of leadership.

But also: Facebook/Meta got burned when they missed the train on owning a mobile platform, instead having to live in their competitors' houses and being vulnerable to de-platforming on mobile. So they've invested massively in trying to make VR the next big thing to get out from that precarious position, or maybe even to get to own the next big platform after mobile (so far with little to actually show for it at a strategic level).

Anyways, what we're now seeing is this mindset reflected in a new way with LLMs - Meta would rather that the next big thing belongs to everybody, than to a competitor.

I'm really glad they've taken that approach, but I wouldn't delude myself that it's all hacker-mentality altruism, and not a fair bit of strategic cynicism at work here too.

If Zuck thought he could "own" LLMs and make them a walled garden, I'm sure he would, but the ship already sailed on developing a moat like that for anybody that's not OpenAI - now it's in Zuck's interest to get his competitor's moat bridged as fast as possible.

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Post by RobotToaster »

spaceguillotine wrote: post #377
elevatedastalt wrote: post #369

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I dunno. I find a conviction in passion in founder CEOs that is missing in folks who replace them. Compare Larry & Sergey with Pichai, or Gates with Balmer.

how can anyone doubt Ballmer's passion after his sweaty stage march. He ain't in charge anymore anyway. Gates was more methodical evil than passionate and his big moves were all just stabbing someone else to take their place.

I think he managed to buck the trend because, despite not being one, he liked developers (some would say a little too much)

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by zmmmmm »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #324
noiseinvacuum wrote: post #254

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Good thing that he's only 39 years old and seems more energetic than ever to run his company. Having a passionate founder is, imo, a big advantage for Meta compared to other big tech companies.

Love how everyone is romanticizing his engineering mindset. But have we already forgotten that he was even more passionate about the metaverse which, as far as I can tell, was a 50B failure?

That's almost the point isn't it? He still believes in it, just the media moved on. Passion means having a vision that isn't deterred by immediate short term challenges because you can "see over the mountain".

Will metaverse be a failure? Maybe. But Apple doesn't think so to the tune of $100B invested so far, which is pretty good validation there is some value there.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by paxys »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #324
noiseinvacuum wrote: post #254

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Good thing that he's only 39 years old and seems more energetic than ever to run his company. Having a passionate founder is, imo, a big advantage for Meta compared to other big tech companies.

Love how everyone is romanticizing his engineering mindset. But have we already forgotten that he was even more passionate about the metaverse which, as far as I can tell, was a 50B failure?

Having a nerdy vision of the future and spending tens of billions of dollars to try and make it a reality while shareholders and bean counters crucify you for it is the most engineer thing imaginable. What other CEO out there is taking such risks?

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Post by re5i5tor »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #412
insane_dreamer wrote: post #410

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Call me cynical, but it was the only way not to be outplayed by OpenAI and to compete with Google, etc.

100%. It was the only real play they had.

Yeah. Very glad Meta is doing what they’re doing here, but the tiger’s not magically changing its stripes. Take care as it might next decide to eat your face.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

mandeepj wrote: post #379
eigenvalue wrote: post #231

I just want to express how grateful I am that Zuck and Yann and the rest of the Meta team have adopted an open approach and are sharing the model weights, the tokenizer, information about the training data, etc. They, more than anyone else, are responsible for the explosion of open research and improvement that has happened with things like llama.cpp that now allow you to run quite decent models locally on consumer h…

> I just want to express how grateful I am that Zuck Praise for him at HN? It should be enough of a reason for him to pop a champagne today

Yeah, I'm also surprised at how many positive comments are in this thread.

I do hate Facebook, but I also love engineers, so I'm not sure how to feel about this one.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by zmmmmm »

elevatedastalt wrote: post #369
szundi wrote: post #353

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It is just the reverse: he is successful because he is like that and lots of founder ceos are jellies in comparison

I dunno. I find a conviction in passion in founder CEOs that is missing in folks who replace them. Compare Larry & Sergey with Pichai, or Gates with Balmer.

Satya Nadella is an interesting counter example.
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