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Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Are you saying that "unskilled labor" is like the other two in just being spin on "I don't approve of market forces"?

To me its funny that those who always talk about unskilled labour are the same who don’t have a driving licence, nor know how to make an omelette

What skills are required to drive, walk or bike a delivery to make $30+tips/hr in NYC?

I don't think they literally mean "unskilled" vs "something that can be learned within a month".

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Lots of services would be phenomenal when you can offload much of the cost to run them to cheap offshore labor. Remember how great Uber and Doordash were when much of the cost of operating was offset by underpaid workers and VC funds? Now that they don't have unlimited piles of money and cities/states are making them pay more fair wages, the cost-benefit of those services has diminished. I was ok paying $5 for $20 of…

"Underpaid" and "fair" is a modern political myth, except in the instances when there is a concerted effort to undermine the semi-natural labor market. Pay will never be enough, as a point of fact. It will always be "underpaid" and "unfair" in discussion. As this is an immortal pressure and negotiating tactic. It is incentivized, and therefore we will get more of it. That works both ways, but at some point there has…

looking forward to a world where everyone anywhere can make a decent living wage. The technology and productivity have improved so much but the wealth inequalities have only grown wider. If AGI arrives and we have abundance, lets hope that it is not only the few elites that control all of that wealth and power.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Fascinating that you can see "underpaid" and "fair" wages as political myths but not "unskilled labor."

Unskilled labor simply refers to jobs where any specialized skills required can be learned on the job in a short period of time, usually less than 30 days. It doesn't literally mean the workers don't know how to do anything. It's certainly not a myth - it's a classification of work, at least in the US. https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/416/416-0968.htm

> Unskilled labor simply refers to jobs where any specialized skills required can be learned on the job in a short period of time, usually less than 30 days.

This is nearly all jobs.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Ah yes, the famously objective field of economics.

Are you suggesting that the difference in skill level between a burger flipper and an accountant is purely subjective?

Since that depends on the burger flipper, I'd say yes. Gordon Ramsay would likely agree.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Uniqlo (in Japan and at least in SF) has a cool checkout method. You drop your clothes into a big bin (I’ve always done it one piece at a time, didn’t think to do all at once) and it adds up all your items. I’ve used this maybe 8 times, 100% accurate so far. Not sure how it works but I guessed RFID and quick Google appears to confirm: https://www.wsj.com/articles/uniqlos-parent-company-bets-big...

This exists in most UNIQLOs it's the same mechanism through which the alarm goes off when someone attempts to steal things with the magnetic RFID attached. It's borderline ancient tech. So why is it not applied everywhere? Because stores would rather have you line up and buy stuff from the "impulse aisle" and tip or donate at their PoS (higher rates with an employee glaring at your selection)

> So why is it not applied everywhere?

RFID tags are expensive compared to printing barcodes. The volume of products moved in a grocery store is far larger than that of a clothing store like Uniqlo.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Orders of magnitude more than existing barcodes which are practically free due to being printed on the packaging. A 10c RFID tag would be 10% of the cost of many products, which im sure is unacceptable to grocery stores which I can't imagine have great margins.

The wages of the scanning staff is a cost to be considered on the side . At even 10c a tag , it is equivalent to one person scanning 200 items a hour (assuming $20/hour wages) . Factoring in time to bag and do a cash/card/coupon transaction etc a retail employee is not doing more than 500 or maybe 1000 items a hour . A cost of 2c is definitely close to economic feasibility if 10c is not

Retail employees do more than checkout. You’ll still need them to stock, do customer support, clean, and more.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Ah yes, the famously objective field of economics.

Are you suggesting that the difference in skill level between a burger flipper and an accountant is purely subjective?

With the two examples you chose, I‘d say there is not much of a skill gap.

If you‘d have chosen a burger flipper and an aeronautical engineer or a surgeon, I‘d have agreed with you.

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And it almost always DOES go wrong. Seriously 75% of the time when I'm done scanning and I press "pay now," it inexplicably says "calling for assistance" and refuses to do anything until an employee comes over. WHY? And now assholes are intentionally taking alcohol through the self-checkout, deliberately taking up that one employee's time making him or her perform the workaround to check the items out. And the 20+ ye…

Strangely that issue has almost vasnished for me in the last couple of years, here in New Zealand at least across the several supermarket chains I frequent (although they all seem to use the same self service POS supplier). Sure it was a big issue when these first came into stores but I think they've realised they need to increase the tolerances a bit (e.g. accept even if the weight is <1% off) and it all just works…

OK, I will admit the "unexpected item" nonsense has diminished... only to be replaced by the "calling for assistance" out of nowhere.

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So what we need is bundling of orders based on 1) restaurant location 2) recipient location 3) time And if that could be done, maybe just 2 orders to start with (for example carpool benefits for 2 people), that will be awesome, but if you could pool 4-5 orders, that will make bank ! I guess this model, if scaled purely based on the model, will imply restaurants co-located (same parking lot) will benefit from such an…

That factor is driving the virtual restaurant (ghost kitchen) trend. There are commercial kitchens set up purely to service delivery orders. They use a single facility but have multiple different restaurant brands with different menus (burgers, Mexican, Italian, vegan, etc). These ghost kitchens have no dining rooms and you probably can't even directly order food outside of a delivery service. https://en.wikipedia.or…

These are the worst quality-wise. Yes, you can write a review if something went really bad. But not having customers right there who can complain and might even get an extra or a replacement gives less incentive to keep quality up. "Specialising" in everything, pizza-burger-kebab-china, is also likely a warning sign.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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"Underpaid" and "fair" is a modern political myth, except in the instances when there is a concerted effort to undermine the semi-natural labor market. Pay will never be enough, as a point of fact. It will always be "underpaid" and "unfair" in discussion. As this is an immortal pressure and negotiating tactic. It is incentivized, and therefore we will get more of it. That works both ways, but at some point there has…

Fascinating that you can see "underpaid" and "fair" wages as political myths but not "unskilled labor."

The local Starbucks over the years has had many turnovers in the staff. It usually takes about 3 days for a new worker to learn the job.

That makes it unskilled labor.

Skilled labor is something like welding, where it can take a year to get good at it. Or things that require calculus, which take 4 years of specialized training to even get an entry job at it. Or flying an airplane - you can't just flip through the instruction booklet and fly an airplane.

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