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Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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The correct answer here is to ignore local landowners and build the airport. Airports have tremendous benefits to the country and the greater area. I feel badly for the folks who have to take the costs - and I wouldn’t be opposed to some compensations - but fundamentally we’re talking about helping a few people (who could move) at the cost of most people. I feel especially strongly about this in the case of people who moved in after the airport existed. You knew exactly what you were signing up for.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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> Toronto became a major Jewish city I am confused by this part. Can you please explain? On the surface, it doesn't read well. Maybe my English isn't so good.

It means there are lots more Jews living in Toronto now. 'major' is in terms of its relevance to the wider Jewish community, which is inevitably going to be affected by how many members live there. None of the various sorts of people being stupid about Jews are involved :)

Yes. I mean it in the same way that Toronto is a major Italian city. We have more people identifying as Italians than all but 6 cities in Italy.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Yes, property values IS local politics. Race tensions is fundamentally about property values. Policing is about property values. Road construction and transport infrastructure is about property values. Bike paths and parks are about property values.

That's a massive oversimplification.

A lot of that viewpoint is informed by the Detroit white flight phenomenon.

I find it hard to believe that every single white person in a neighborhood would be so racist that the mirror arrival of a single black family would trigger the mass migration of all white people from that neighborhood

No, it really was the property values. Of course, the property values exist under those rules because of inherent racism. There's no denying that.

Perhaps all the white people were just covering themselves by saying oh, we are leaving because of other people's racism, not because of ours. We are leaving because our property values are decreasing from other people's racism.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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I live in Tokyo where we have both Narita, far out but well-ish connected by train with NEX and Haneda, with direct access to the city. Haneda is vastly more convenient.

> Haneda is vastly more convenient. Many (millions) would disagree. After the opening of the Keisei Skyliner[1], a very fast train from north Tokyo to Narita, from Shinjuku station (west side, busiest train station in the world), it is the same time to either Haneda ("Tokyo Int'l") or Narita. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyliner

and if you're not in a big hurry you can just ride the metro-through line that might be slow but certainly scenic.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Only half of Istanbul is in Europe (yes, the side with the Airport) and the other half and the rest of the country is Anatolia/Asia Minor. Turkey has many of the political markers of being in Europe but is really a unique situation and its leaders like to take the best of being European and not-European where it suits them. Do most people consider it a European country? Doubtful. I've never known any Turks who consid…

What political markers? IST is in Europe, and SAW is not. We are talking about airports in continents.

is turkey culturally aligned with europe? not really.

actual continents are too big, that's why in news you get more detailed breakdowns into areas like middle-east

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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In the us transit isn't normally good enough. most people rent a car. I wish that would change.

I pretty much never rent a car if I'm going into a city. But I'm often not actually going into the city that an airport services.

Heck, I drive most places (disclaimer: I mean "actual cities" here) in my own car, but I'll just leave it at the hotel and get around via Uber primarily, but I'll happily use subway or light rail or something like that when it's available and the end points are close. I have somewhat limited mobility these days so I can't just trek 10 or 12 blocks at both ends of every journey like I know some of y'all do in places like Seattle, but anything up to 4 or 5 blocks I can manage unless it's extremely hot.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Taxi is not the main way to leave airports in large part of the world.

I went digging out of curiosity, and it seems you are correct. According to this article [1], around 80 of the top 100 airports have rapid transit connections. [1] https://www.ptua.org.au/2015/10/29/busiest-airports-rail/

Melbourne’s airport is very annoying when compared to Sydney. To get to the CBD you have to go and stand outside to wait for a bus that comes every ~15 minutes and takes half an hour to get there (or pay an exorbitant price for a taxi or Uber), whereas in Sydney you’ve got a direct train that gets to the city in 15 minutes.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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I went digging out of curiosity, and it seems you are correct. According to this article [1], around 80 of the top 100 airports have rapid transit connections. [1] https://www.ptua.org.au/2015/10/29/busiest-airports-rail/

Melbourne’s airport is very annoying when compared to Sydney. To get to the CBD you have to go and stand outside to wait for a bus that comes every ~15 minutes and takes half an hour to get there (or pay an exorbitant price for a taxi or Uber), whereas in Sydney you’ve got a direct train that gets to the city in 15 minutes.

It's been a while since I caught the train to or from Sydney airport but, in true Sydney fashion, it's privatised and costs an absolute fortune. From memory it costs more than Melbourne's SkyBus.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Japan is well known for violent political clashes. There is still a very obvious house in the middle of Narita Airport that you can see when flying in or out. There are roads to it underneath the airport.

This is shocking to me https://www.cbsnews.com/news/narita-airport-farm-takao-shito... "The best outcome would be for the airport to shut down," he said. "But what's important is to keep farming my ancestral land." I imagine most countries would just use eminent domain?

> And since it sits smack in the middle of the airport, one of Narita's two runways had to be built around it.

That's not a runway, but a taxiway. Runways have no curves ever.

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