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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
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#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
What applications are necessary to call it a general purpose computer? A web browser? A self-hosted development environment? I don't think there's a bright line between what applications a Playstation or Xbox has versus what a phone has. And it's not like the iPhone is the only phone you can get. If Apple is restricting such a core component of our lives, you can simply buy non-Apple products.
It's really a lot more simple than you're making it out to be. The word 'purpose' refers to intent, not capability. Xbox is a gaming console because that's what it was meant to be. The iPhone is intended to run many different categories of applications, because that's what it was designed to do.
In that case, why is the EU forcing Apple to support alternative app stores for watchOS and tvOS, not just iOS and iPadOS? The Apple Watch and Apple TV aren't designed to be general purpose.
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#503The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…
What does "quote unquote" mean in this context?
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#504Apple isn’t considering that they are the baddies? I suggest strong regulation of the complete BigIT and two chairs for public observers at minimum. In addition they are not allowed to enter any new market. Why? Because it worked well with AT&T . Results: * UNIX * C * Open-Source * Public Documentation Sounds good? Until the Reagan administration appeared, allowed them to split up (Baby Bells), the UNIX-Wars followed…
> allowed them to split up (Baby Bells) That's some pretty baldfaced revisionism you've got going on there. They were ordered to do this by a court: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=120938923478579...
It's particularly egregious given AT&T fought an infamously protracted legal battle against the United States Government to try to avoid being forced to be broken up (entirely against their will). They exhausted a lot of money and time trying to avoid the scenario the op is claiming they were trying to intentionally execute.
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#505I just want to be able to install my own apps on my own device without paying $99/year (and with a signature that lasts a reasonable amount of time). Sadly, this doesn't seem to allow for that.
So they should be forced to develop the SDK and the dev tools for free and provide that support for free? I mean it would be very nice of them to do so, but legally forcing them to do it? I don't know about that. It is a shortsighted "solution".
Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
#506The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…
Apple is going to have a hard explaining if the regulator asks why it costs €0.50 per first annual install when it's free on Android.
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#507Malicious compliance attempt number 2 from Apple. This is clearly not complaint with DMA and there's no way that Apple doesn't know that.
The core issue is that Apple doesn't want to give away the absolute god-like control over how apps are distributed on iPhone and they can't be compliant until they let go. I am guessing this is going to get dragged on with 3rd version of Apple policies coming out soon after they get sent back to drawing board by EU.
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#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's going to be an iOS-like walled garden experience. You say "it's going to be" as if this hasn't been the Apple device business model from the start.
I mean... it hasn't been their model from the start ; the Apple II was wildly successful in part because it was so open, and Macs never had a walled garden (though the situation there does seem to have gotten somewhat worse over time).
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#509The whole app ecosystem(android and apple) is carefully constructed for maximum market owner value extraction, user value is a secondary consideration. Basically, it is what the web would look like if it were developed by corporate interests, conversely "apps" could have been a better designed web[1], but instead are this comparatively clunky gated process where you have to explicitly install the app first only then…
Oh, the tragedy of what could have been: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS
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#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess it is? No one can force Apple to sell iPhones in Europe.
Their shareholders can, and will.
lol. Shareholders won’t care if Apple pulls out of Europe if Europe makes it impossible to make a profit.
Another comment claims that the App Store represents something like 40% of Apple’s profit. If you chop a company’s profit in half and lay on a bunch of regulatory costs, pulling out of the market starts to look appealing.
And, who is to say that the EC will stop here? What happens when all the alternative app stores fail because they fail to enforce the same developer-hostile, user-friendly features as Apple (like request to track). You think the EC will just roll over and let that happen? Or will they take even stronger measures?
Continuing the humor the EC is just throwing good money after bad at this point. Shareholders can see that just as well as anyone else.