Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

Post by hathym » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 9:12 AM UTC

McNutty wrote: post #13

blurbleblurble wrote: post #6

I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…

Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit. Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.

Post by uluyol » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 9:13 AM UTC

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wolverine876 wrote: post #284

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> Another possibility is that they also had a second job working for Hamas - so, on a list of "not really journalists". I think we need less baseless speculation in this discussion. Another commenter posted links to the Times of Israel, which of course is very imperfect, but it's a start.

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Post by hef19898 » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 9:13 AM UTC

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> but all you can muster is evidence that journalists are not being targeted but are rather being killed at rates of other civilians. No, they are being killed at much faster rate, to the point of depletion in relation to other civilians. Look at this plot: https://imgur.com/a/SWNSYOn In my first post in this thread I did a detailed estimate that for the curve to bend this way, the journalists must be decimated with…

Is it actually a reasonable assumption that journalists die at the same rate as civilians? Arguably, journalists are much more susceptible to go to dangerous places, close to actual combat, etc, for better videos.

Post by doktrin » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 9:17 AM UTC

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That's a remarkably small number. It makes me think journalists weren't present in the warzone at all. Irrespective of which side you support, Hamas is notorious for colocating themselves among civilians. An elevated civilian death count, including journalists is to be expected. However, the numbers being THIS high in this short a time is alarming and tragic.

> Hamas is notorious for colocating themselves among civilians. I despise Hamas, but this claim is disingenuous propaganda (by the leaders who make it, not the parent who repeats it): First, Hamas is 'notorious' for it because it's endlessly repeated by their enemies. That rhetoric doesn't make anything true. (Haven't we had the Internet long enough that people know it well by now?) Second, Hamas is an assymetric, ir…

Post by Vecr » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 9:22 AM UTC

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The scales are so completely different that that analogy is just done in bad faith.

Much as I asked the other commenter, how many school shooters would need to be in the school before we believe it's valid? Let's change the analogy: ISIS terrorists take over the MIT campus. Inside the university are 50 armed terrorists. Is it valid to now bomb the university? What if there are 100 terrorists? There is no issue with scale here. No matter how much it scales, you won't reach a point where there is an e…