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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by kergonath »

larodi wrote: post #102

Wondering whether 10-12 years from now the internet becomes a hostile, corpo-inhibited medium, while the personal LLMs are what we take knowledge from. In reality some (of us) already do so, the only thing is that we don't really know what the LLMs were fed to begin with, but is assumed to be a reality-based information. Your personal Search Engine is your personal model which you evolve to your needs. Safely includi…

I would not mind a LLM trained on say Wikipedia and its sources. That’s still a lot of bullshit, but orders of magnitude less than the open Web at large. The possibility to whitelist some websites would be useful. Training from the huge scientific articles databases would be ace.

What would be a strong selling point would be if the LLM is able to reliably cite where the information comes from. MS’s copilot currently attempts to do this, but often cites low-quality websites with questionable reliability.

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Post by calibas »

ska wrote: post #393
Culonavirus wrote: post #301

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SEO spammers were a thing even before Google fucked their search results. You know when Google search results were still amazing, like decade ago? SEO spammers were thriving. I know that for a fact because I worked for one back then. 90% of why Google search sucks now is due to Google being too greedy, only the rest is caused by SEO spammers.

No, SEO made things noticeably worse from the very beginning. This is almost tautological, when you think about it. Agree googles machinations have not helped, but disagree with your 90/10 split.

You can't really separate SEO and the Google algorithms. SEO is a product of the Google's ranking algorithms.

The entire effort of SEO is to either to follow Google's official guidelines, or reverse-engineer how things work to exploit their algorithms. Those whole point of SEO is to score higher on ranking algorithms.

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Post by tivert »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #206
cauliflower99 wrote: post #134

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Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for newer content that would increase the likelihood the content was generated by real people?

I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me. And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content…

> I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history.

That is, to put it bluntly, hoping for a technological solution to a social problem. It won't happen. Ever.

We absolutely, 100% DO NOT have the social or ideological framework necessary to "free people from drudgery." The only options are 1) be rich, 2) drudge, or 3) starve. Even a technology as fantastic as a Star Trek replicator won't really free us from that. If it enables anything, the only new option provided by replicators would be: 4) die from an atom bomb replicated by a nutjob.

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Post by austinjp »

chasd00 wrote: post #211
austinjp wrote: post #106

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I've not really considered this before, but I might actually be interested in a 'white-listed' web. This is obviously possible entirely client-side with a plug-in that white-lists domains and allows you to edit the list. I'm wondering if there's a genuine opportunity here to go further. A client-side browser plug-in, plus a SaaS which automatically vets pages on-the-fly to guesstimate the chance they're AI-generated,…

> plus a SaaS which automatically vets pages on-the-fly to guesstimate the chance they're AI-generated, the problem is that would create another SEO like arms race. If it takes off everyone will be working 24x7 to defeat the vetting process and gain entry to the walled garden just like they did to gain entry to the first page of Google search results.

Indeed, although client-side opting in/out of any site's ranking would mitigate this.

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Post by swiftcoder »

l33t7332273 wrote: post #417
donmcronald wrote: post #260

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> The way out is authenticity. Signed content is the only way to get that. This is the real play IMO. With the push for identity systems that support attestation [1], it doesn't matter if AI is successful at producing high quality results or if it only ever produces massive amounts of pure garbage. In the latter case, it's a huge win for platform owners like Apple, Google, or Microsoft (via TPM) because they're the o…

> My fear is that eventually you'll start seeing government services where identity and auth are handed off to private companies like Google and Apple One enticing alternative (for the government!) is to require you to upload your actual documents and use some government sanctioned attestation service.

And this is how it works in many countries. Here in Spain you physically go down to the social security office, present your photo ID, and they sign your private key - thus providing access to all government websites...

In theory. in practice there are 3 competing online ID systems within the Spanish government, which is pretty typical beaurocratic bullshit

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Post by penjelly »

kbrkbr wrote: post #366
zeruch wrote: post #341

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I think you are generally correct in where things will likely go (sometimes correct goop) but the problem I think will be far more existential; when people start to feel like they are in a perpetual uncanny valley of noise, what DO they actually do next? I don't think we have even the remotest grasp of what that might look like and how it will impact us.

That is an interesting thought. Maybe the problem is not the ai generated useless noise, but that it is so easy and cheap to publish it. One possible future is going back to a medium with higher cost of publication. Books. Handchiseled stone tablets. Offering information costs something.

fun thought: its more reliable to store information on stone tablets over very long time periods of time then it is harddrives or other modern data storage devices

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Post by discreteevent »

jstarfish wrote: post #279
a_c wrote: post #150

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Things go in cycle. Search engine was so much better at discovering linked websites. Then people play the SEO game, write bogus articles, cross link this and that, everyone got into writing. Everyone write the same cliches over and over, quality of search engine plumets. But then since we are regurgitating the same thought over and over again, why not automate it. Over time people will forget where the quality post c…

Nah, you got the right of it. It feels like the end of Usenet all over again, only these days cyber-warlords have joined the spammers and trolls. Mastodon sounded promising as What's Next, but I don't trust it-- that much feels like Bitcoin all over again. Too many evangelists, and there's already abuse of extended social networks going on. Any tech worth using should sell itself. Nobody needed to convince me to try…

> It feels like the end of Usenet all over again

Eternal LLMber.

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Post by Groxx »

rchaud wrote: post #450
Groxx wrote: post #335

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I've pretty much just seen evidence that this segment keeps growing, and is now much MUCH larger than the Internet in The Good Old Days. Discovering them is indeed hard, but it has always been hard - that's why search engines were such a gigantic improvement initially, they found more than the zero that most people had seen. But searches only ever skimmed the surface, and there's almost certainly no mechanical way to…

Sites today don't have blogrolls. Back in the '00s it was sacrilege not to have one on the sidebar of your site. That massively improved discoverability. Today you have to go to another service like Twitter to see this kind of cross-pollination.

tbh I have only ever seen a couple in an omnipresent sidebar in my lifetime. The vast majority I encountered around then and earlier were just in the "about" (or possibly "links") pages of people's websites, and occasionally a footer explicitly mentioning "webring".

Also if you squint hard enough, they're massively more common now. They're just usually hidden by adblockers because they're run by Disqus or Outbrain or similar (i.e. complete junk).

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Post by koliber »

megiddo wrote: post #340
koliber wrote: post #329

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Silly prediction: the only way to get guaranteed non-ai generated content will be to go to live performances of expert speakers. Kind of like going to the theater vs. TV and cinema or attending a live concert vs. listening to Spotify.

You could hash the hoard and stick the signature on a blockchain. If only it was 2018, we could do this as a startup and make a mint.

There are companies that do this! It’s for proving that something existed at a particular moment back in time.
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