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The pro-Israel information war

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Post by jhallenworld »

sudosysgen wrote: post #469
jhallenworld wrote: post #455

I've been watching Project Ask recently: https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject/videos It's fascinating to hear opinions on the ground from both sides. Some things I've learned or concluded: Young Palestinians are much more radical than older ones, who seem more flexible. I personally think the two-state solution is a non-starter, and watched these videos to see if a one state solution is at all viable (m…

Have you thought about why young Palestinians have a different opinion from older ones? The opinion of powerless people is not set in stone, but is often a reaction to things outside of their control.

Direct experience? Learning from their parents? Typical young person reaction to perceived injustice? Dangerous to have a differing opinion?

They have internet, but unfortunately it's not a force for moderation.

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LarsDu88 wrote: post #23
metadat wrote: post #6

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HN gets rid of political stuff explicitly. I honestly think this is a good thing as virtually every other online forum devolves into emotionally driven politically charged clickbait content.

+1. Unfortunately political articles, even with a heavy and highly relevant tech slant, tend to produce toxic conversations and don't reach anywhere near their potential with regard to curious conversations (as per @dang, this is the stated goal of HN).

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Post by wizerdrobe »

robertoandred wrote: post #349
etchalon wrote: post #186

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If the conditions in Gaza continue as they have for multiple generations now, the eradication of Hamas will just beget the founding a different group with the same approach, or near to.

The conditions in Gaza are the result of Hamas and similar groups. Israel ended their occupation of Gaza twenty years ago and dragged Israelis out. Israel invested in Gaza infrastructure, but Hamas ripped it out and used it to make weapons. Israel allowed Gazans to work in Israel, who then told Hamas where to attack. Israel tried ceasefire after ceasefire, but Hamas just sent suicide bombers and rockets. And when as…

Egypt has a tight border because Israel has a history of launching retalitory strikes against neighboring nations from which terrorist cells originated.

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Post by loughnane »

I think it’s been clear to most of us from the early days that the media is the second front in this war in way it’s never been.

“Success”, whatever that looks like, lies in getting the rest of the world to care more about your side and/or be too apathetic or paralyzed to side when your enemies.

That’s always been the case to some degree, but this conflict is dropping on a hyper-connected video world that is new.

It’d be foolish for the heads of either camp to not try to manipulate popular opinion. Sadly that makes it harder—though not impossible—to grok the truth, but practically I don’t see it ever changing for the simpler.

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Post by paulddraper »

mastrsplyntr wrote: post #395

Why is America so fixated on Israel? Groups like AIPAC and the Israeli lobby seem to be steering U.S. policies in ways that don't necessarily benefit the U.S., while potentially harming its interests. Here's what's at stake: This alliance seems to be turning about two billion people and dozens of muslim-majority nations against America, driving them towards alliances with countries like China. American taxpayer money…

> Why is America so fixated on Israel?

1. It's a Western-style democracy in an Eastern anti-democratic location.

2. It doesn't hurt that there have been plenty of ethnic Jews in foreign policy positions.

3. The military industrial complex doesn't see costs as costs.

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Post by deepfriedchokes »

underlipton wrote: post #322
ReptileMan wrote: post #253

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>Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response. Okay - then what should be Israel's response? For me what they are doing is the bare minimum with the minimum casualties from the options they have. Hamas is Gaza's government. Hamas has intertwined the civilian and the military infrastructure. Hamas has made sure that the civilian Palestinians will suffer if you targe…

>Okay - then what should be Israel's response? The same response I have concluded should have been the US' response to 9/11: turn the other cheek, and invest heavily in reconciling with "enemy" forces while rebuilding "enemy" infrastructure and institutions, while dealing with individual bad actors on a case-by-case basis as a matter of legal (rather than martial) procedure. And I'm not joking. I feel bad for Israeli…

I think a lot of people get “turn the other cheek” wrong, much like “a few bad apples”, and “blood is thicker than water”.

Here’s the passage from Matthew 5:38-39 KJV:

“38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”

What Jesus is advocating is nonviolent resistance, not walking away. MLK Jr. understood this passage well.

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Post by grumple »

istultus wrote: post #423

What an absolute mind-fuck. I think the greatest thing the Moscow-Teheran-Beijing "bot army diplomacy doctrine" is showing us is that you can radicalize both the US right AND the US Left at the same time by speaking to each side's idiocies at full throat. We are nearing Elders of Zion territory here where the ratio of 2 Billion Muslims to 15 Million Jews, and thus the constant stream of anti-Israeli propaganda, now c…

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Post by ChumpGPT »

Can you imagine that all it took for her to lose her job was "“Freedom for Palestine”.

That's the insanity about this whole thing. The Zionists don't believe Palestine nor the Palestinians deserve a homeland while many Jews believe they do. Zionism is an incredibly powerful entity that even brought Musk to his knees.

That's the real story here.....

Just saying....

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Post by mupuff1234 »

abusada wrote: post #361
EvgeniyZh wrote: post #261

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Criticizing the actions of Israel is not anti-semitic, and many Israelis and Jews are critical of the Israeli government and its actions (even more than usual during the ongoing political crisis). Many of the critics I see lack nuance (basically, "rooting for the underdog"), but that's a different problem. The problem is complicated, and there is no simple solution (some kind of two-state may work after many years).…

Hello there, a Palestinian from the west bank here speaking, let me tell you something, our resistance has nothing to do with Israel being a Jewish state, if my brother stole my house and killed my children i will fight him just the same, and you would too and everyone else (I assume). jewish, muslim, christian, vegan.. doesn't matter. Now Hamas does play on the string of religion to get to people, and so does Israel…

Is it really worth fighting over a piece of land for generations?

It's just dirt, there's nothing special about it. Almost all borders are the results of war and conquest throughout history, it's better to accept that and move on.

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