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Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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I've seen some discussion on HN in which people claimed that even really important engineers aren't -too- important and that Ilya is actually replaceable, using Apple's growth after Woz' departure as an example. But I don't think that's the best situation to compare this to. I think a much better one is John Carmack firing Romero from id Software after the release of Quake. Some background: During a period of about 1…

Three points: 1. I don't think Ilya is equivalent to Carmack in this case — he's been focused on safety and alignment research, not building GPT-[n]. By most accounts Greg Brockman, who quit in disgust over the move, was more impactful than Ilya in recent years, as well as the senior researchers who quit yesterday. 2. I think you are underselling what happened with id: while they didn't blow up as fantastically as Io…

Until I can trust that when I send an AI agent off to do something that I will be successful without me babysitting and watching over it constantly AI won't truly be transformative (since the human bottleneck will remain).

This is one of the core promises of alignment. Without it how can there be trust? While there are probably short term slow downs with an alignment focus, ultimately it is necessary to avoid throwing darts in the dark.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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I think the problem is, this is not just about dumping the CEO. It’s signalling a very clear shift away from where OpenAI was heading - which seemed to be very focussed on letting people build on top of the technology. The worry now is that the approach is going to be more of controlling access to just researchers who are trusted to be “safe”.

i agree with this. What about the GPTs Store. Are they planning on killing that? Just concerning they'll kill the platform unit AGI comes out.

Did you mean ‘_until_ AGI comes out.’?

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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An optimistic perspective of how despite today's regrettable events, Sama and gdb will start something new and more competition is a good thing : https://x.com/DrJimFan/status/1725916938281627666?s=20 I have a contrarian prediction : Due to pressure from investors and a lawsuit against the openai board, the board will be made to resign and Sama & Greg will return to openai. Anybody else agree ?

> I have a contrarian prediction : Due to pressure from investors and a lawsuit against the openai board, the board will be made to resign and Sama & Greg will return to openai. The board is not beholden to any investors. The board is for the non-profit that does not have shareholders, and it fully owns and controls the manager entity that controls the for-profit. The LLC's operating agreement is explicit that it is…

OpenAI will lose access to MS and the billions required to continue the research as quickly as MS is able to move. The non-profit will continue, but without the resources required to do much, and any scientists who want to have “real world impact” as opposed to “ideological dreams” will move on.

Competition will kill these ideological dreams because the technology has huge commercial and political applications. MS would never have invested had they foreseen these events and OpenAI cannot achieve their mission without access to incredible amounts of capital.

He’s dead Jim, but it’ll take a long time before the corpse stops twitching.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Selectively generate highly likely images of politicians in compromising sexual encounters based on the people that are attractive and they work with a lot in their lives. Use to power of LLMs to mass denigrate politicians and regular folks at scale in online spaces with reasonable, human like responses. Use LLMs to mass generate racist caricatures, memes, comics and music. Use LLMs to generate nude imagery of someon…

Most of these could be done with Photoshop, a long time ago, or even before computers

You can make bombs rather easily too. It’s all about making it effortless which LLMs do.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Everyone I speak to who have have been building on top of OpenAI - and I don’t mean just stupid chat apps - feel like the rug has just been pulled out from under them. If as it seems, dev day was the last straw, what does that say to all the devs?

Company with an unusual corporate structure designed specifically to be able to enforce an unpopular worldview, enforced that unpopular worldview. I get that people feel disappointed, but I can't help but feel like those people were maybe being a bit wilfully blind to the parts of the company that they didn't understand/believe-in/believe-were-meant-seriously.

What unpopular world view exactly?

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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post #328

I've seen some discussion on HN in which people claimed that even really important engineers aren't -too- important and that Ilya is actually replaceable, using Apple's growth after Woz' departure as an example. But I don't think that's the best situation to compare this to. I think a much better one is John Carmack firing Romero from id Software after the release of Quake. Some background: During a period of about 1…

Ilya might be too concerned with AI safety to make significant progress on model quality improvement.

Isn't that a massive quality improvement though? How many applications for LLMs are not feasible right now because of the ability for models to be swayed of course by a gentle breeze? If AI is a ship with a sail, data is the wind and alignment is the equivalent of a rudder.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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post #499

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From that link: >I could not find anything in the way of a source on when, or under what circumstances, Tasha McCauley joined the Board. I would add, "or why she's on the board or why anyone thought she was qualified to be on the board". At least with Helen Toner the intent was likely just to add a token AI Safety academic to pacify "concerned" Congressmen. I am kind of curious how Adam D'Angelo voted. If he voted ag…

D’Angelo had to have voted in favor because otherwise they don’t get a four vote majority.

You only need 4 votes to have a majority if Sam and Greg were present for the vote, which neither were. Ilya + the 2 stooges voting in favor and D'Angelo voting against would be a 3-1 majority.

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Ilya has Israeli citizenship and has toured Israel and given talks at Israeli universities including one talk with Sam Altman. He is not anti mil-tech.

That's a pretty big leap of logic there.

Israel is a heavily militarized country. The country would not be able to exist without the latest military tech. Ilya flirting with the tech scene of Israel is a very good indicator that he is not anti mil-tech.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Which proves my point. This cult on top of someone that simply convinced people (they knew from their connections) being considered a genius is absurd.

Convincing people is the ultimate trade. It can achieve more than any other skill. The idea that success at it shouldn’t be grounds for the genius label is absurd.

> Convincing people is the ultimate trade

So by your standard SBF is an absolute genius.

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