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Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by siva7 »

johnwheeler wrote: post #84

Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

Ah, the old myth about the irreplaceable engineer and the dumb suit. Ask Wozniak about that. I don't think he believes Apple would be without Steve Jobs.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by lenerdenator »

williamcotton wrote: post #472
anigbrowl wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John, I don't think you understand how corporate law departments work. It's not like a romantic or friend breakup where someone says a mean remark about the other to underline that it's over; there's a big legal risk to the corporate entity from carelessly damaging someone's reputation like that, so it's smarter to just keep the personality/vision disagreements private and limit public statements to platitudes.

What’s the legal risk? Their investors sue them for..? Altman sues for..? How is the language “we are going our separate ways” compared with “Mr. Altman’s departure follows a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities. The board no longer has confidence in his ability to cont…

The legal risk comes if Altman decides he wants a similar job and can't find it over the next few months or years, and has reason to believe that OpenAI's statements tainted his reputation.

OpenAI's board's press release could very easily be construed as "Sam Altman is not trustworthy as a CEO", which could lead to his reputation being sullied among other possible employers. He could argue that the board defamed his reputation and kept him from what was otherwise a very promising career in an unfathomably lucrative field.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by conductr »

wordpad25 wrote: post #457
mcmcmc wrote: post #429

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Why is OpenAI responsible for protecting Microsoft’s stock price?

Well if for nothing else they are their biggest partner and investor

Even Microsoft themselves shouldn’t care about the traders that react to this type of headline so quickly.

This will end up being a blip that corrects once it’s actually digested.

Although, the way this story is unfolding, it’s going to be hilarious if it ends up that the OpenAI board members had taken recent short positions in MSFT.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by astrange »

rchaud wrote: post #453
astrange wrote: post #231

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He didn't have equity in OpenAI either, he seemed to be running it for fun. Of course, he can get cash payments.

I'm highly suspicious of these types of claims. Steve Jobs was famously on a salary of $1, to get Apple back on track....no mention of the 7.8 million stock options backdated to maximize the gains on the share price. They're all getting paid one way or another.

Sure, they can promise to give him some later. But he doesn't have them now; unvested anything would have expired.

That's the reason nobody does stock options anymore though, it's all RSUs now.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by Apocryphon »

lucubratory wrote: post #498
Apocryphon wrote: post #439

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> I don't think it's correct not because it sounds like a sci-fi novel, but because I think it's unlikely that it's even remotely plausible that a new version of their internal AI system would be good enough at this point in time to do something like that Aren't these synonymous at this point? The conceit that you can point AGI at any arbitrary speculative sci-fi concept and it can just invent it is a sci-fi trope.

No, not really. Calling something "science-fiction" at the present moment is generally an insult intended to say something along the lines of "You're an idiot for believing this made up children's story could be real, it's like believing in fairies", which is of course a really dumb thing to say because science fiction has a very long history of predicting technological advances (the internet, tanks, video calls, not…

How would a superhuman intelligence invent a new non-hypothetical actually-working device without actually conducting physical experiments, building prototypes, and so on? By conducting really rigorous meta-analysis of existing research papers? Every single example you listed involved work IRL.

> with enough time and copies of itself.

Alright, but that’s not what you the previous post was hypothesizing，which is that OpenAI was possibly able to do that without physical experimentation.

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Post by ppeetteerr »

mexicanandre wrote: post #217

Ok what’s with the weird punctuation and lack of capital letters in their tweets? Both seem like they are horribly rushed and no auto complete?

I've seen lowercase wording used by people who don't want to put effort into something. Personally, I consider it a sign of dismissal towards the audience. If you see this coming from someone, it might be an indication they don't case. This is based purely on personal experience.

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Post by smilekzs »

abra0 wrote: post #383
jumploops wrote: post #244

Sam and Ilya have recently made public statements about AGI that appear to highlight a fundamental disagreement between them. Sam claims LLMs aren't sufficient for AGI (rightfully so). Ilya claims the transformer architecture, with some modification for efficiency, is actually sufficient for AGI. Obviously transformers are the core component of LLMs today, and the devil is in the details (a future model may resemble…

>rightfully so How the hell can people be so confident about this? You describe two smart people reasonably disagreeing about a complicated topic

Maybe "rightfully so" meant "it is totally within Sam's right to claim that LLMs aren't sufficient for AGI"?

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Post by Mentlo »

As a sanity check - when Hinton left google we celebrated it as the faceless business corpo shouldn’t be leading the velocity of the dev, it should be AI pioneers who understand the risks.

If indeed a similar disagreement happened in OpenAI but this time Hinton (Ilya) came on top- it’s a reason to celebrate.

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