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Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off

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Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off

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Sounds good, but since it is not EU based, my band and I will have to stay put. Good luck though. Competition is a good thing.

Bandcamp wants EU based either they came from Oakland, CA. So what’s the objection?

I don't use Bandcamp.

Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off

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Umbrella companies are going to be in for a rude awakening sooner or later As someone who's outside IR35 I can't see the point in being inside rather than just taking a full time role with a company, sure there's some flexibility but the disadvantages outweigh the advantages in my view

There's a common misunderstanding regarding umbrella companies and their relation to IR35 legislation. Contrary to some beliefs, umbrella companies aren't subject to IR35. This regulation is designed for individuals who offer their services through an intermediary which they either manage or hold a financial stake in. However, when you're employed through an umbrella company or a large consultancy, you're considered…

Apart from agreeing the IR35 applies to people who sell their services through a PSC I have a very different take on to that…

IR35 is about making up the loss in revenue of employers National Insurance, as PSC shareholders can avoid NI by paying themselves mainly in dividends rather than a salary. The dividend tax makes up for the lack of employees NI on dividends but there’s no employers equivalent.

Large companies use umbrella’s because they don’t want to take on the burden of employing contractors but depending on how the relationship is setup is the umbrella becomes the contractor’s employers (assuming engaged direct rather than through their PSC) and that means the contractor has a whole set of employment rights — sick, holiday, pension that the umbrella is now responsible for

Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off

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Are you saying anything I didn't already point out in this paragraph? >> You might want to ask yourself "Do I really believe that, if I thought I might be about to get fired, that would have no influence on whether I tried to join a union?"

Being a union bargainer is different from just being a member of a union? I would assume it takes more lead time than most people in the 'about to get fired' scenario have?

I think that's probably true in general, but if the whole union movement at the company is fairly new I don't think it necessarily applies (or is at least severely tempered).

Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off

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> Besides, unemployment is low Is it low in tech? There have been a lot of layoffs over the past year.

It's 3.1 percent in tech, so, yeah, it's low. Those layoffs are peanuts. https://www.statista.com/statistics/199995/rates-of-jobless-...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37981149

Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off

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It's 3.1 percent in tech, so, yeah, it's low. Those layoffs are peanuts. https://www.statista.com/statistics/199995/rates-of-jobless-...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37981149

Not sure what this proves. Maybe some people looking now are frustrated, but that's only from those who are looking. The point is a low number of people are looking in the first place. Hence low unemployment.

Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off

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I'm the most pro-union person you'll ever meet, but this is so cringe. Strikes work when you can shut down a factory and physically keep the scabs from getting in with a picket line. Not so much when you're a remote tech worker who can be instantly replaced by an equally competent third-worlder for $2/hr. You gotta know where your bargaining power lies, or you're just being an idiot.

I am hearing "engineers are fungible." But any company can just outsource whatever they want. Why hire anyone from your own country for any reason?

And why hire people in silicon Valley where they cost double what they would pretty much anywhere else?

Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off

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I get the impression there's an attitude from the newer generation of tech workers--the ones that are more progressive and less libertarian--about their right to unionize. They were so interested in union politics and the reading about the glory days of unions that they overlooked their current situation. You don't sell a company to break up a union and lay off half the staff. Bandcamp wasn't a good fit any more, and…

They (Epic) literally bought Bandcamp as fuel against their ongoing litigation vs Apple. They've outright admitted so [1]. This wasn't about Bandcamp being a 'good fit' or 'overstaffing'. This was because now that the litigation was over, they had no more use for the bludgeon they bought. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/04/epic-games-drags-ban...

This is the only take that has any merit.
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