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Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by paulcole » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 10:52 PM UTC

satvikpendem wrote: post #362

paulcole wrote: post #219

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I think you’re still missing the point. Eating a good meal today doesn’t prevent you from going hungry 6 months from now. Of course you know how to put food in your mouth and eat, but do you understand how to deal with the physical/emotional/mental challenges of living as a person who’s without enough food?

> Eating a good meal today doesn’t prevent you from going hungry 6 months from now. Sure it does. Angus Barbieri fasted for 382 days successfully. In the same vein, working on one's body strengthens future potential disabilities, but not all, such as sight and hearing. However, most people who become disabled later in life begin to have orthopedic injuries rather than completely losing sight and hearing, which of cou…

I’m assuming you didn’t read the article at all and just wanted to show how you knew this fact about the guy who fasted for a year?

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by k8fj30gs » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 10:54 PM UTC

cogman10 wrote: post #300

Justsignedup wrote: post #233

How many people I know got hit by a car and had their life ruined horribly. Or a bad surgery. Things totally out of their control. We need to see disability as a cost to society we must pay, not a failure of individuals which is more or less what were treating it. The American disability system is basically proving (very painfully) that life is barely livable to get scraps of help. Like below poverty levels. I really…

Yup. I have a child with autism. The American system is cruel beyond imagination. To qualify them for social security and Medicaid I have to leave them impoverished. They can't have more than $2k worth of assets in their name. Instead it's a complex lawyer game of trusts to give my child any sort of inheritance. Yet they are basically guaranteed to end up in a group home (Even though I own my own home) because a care…

This seems like a lot of work that still leaves your child at the mercy of the American system. Have you considered acquiring a second passport for your child somewhere with better social policies? If you have the capital to setup a meaningful trust fund many CBI programs should be within reach.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by satvikpendem » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 10:59 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #501

satvikpendem wrote: post #362

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> Eating a good meal today doesn’t prevent you from going hungry 6 months from now. Sure it does. Angus Barbieri fasted for 382 days successfully. In the same vein, working on one's body strengthens future potential disabilities, but not all, such as sight and hearing. However, most people who become disabled later in life begin to have orthopedic injuries rather than completely losing sight and hearing, which of cou…

I’m assuming you didn’t read the article at all and just wanted to show how you knew this fact about the guy who fasted for a year?

I read the article. And guess what, I also injured a limb recently so not only have I read the article, I have and currently am experiencing the same issues the author is experiencing. Even still, I can recognize that the points made in the article and the points made by those you're replying to are not incompatible, so they're not "still missing the point," they're adding on to it.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by jstarfish » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 11:16 PM UTC

mgkimsal wrote: post #352

zer8k wrote: post #345

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> I feel like the biggest thing the US could do is remove means-testing from our disability aid programs. The problem isn't the means testing the problem is it's applied with broad strokes like all well meaning but inevitably awful government work. First, everyone pays into disability. So everyone should be able to get their share when necessary. Second, means testing includes things like housing, retirement accounts…

> If you're only disabled because you eat too much and can't be bothered to exercise I question whether you're actually disabled. Perhaps there's a distinction between chronic/permanent disabilities and transient disabilities? If I'm obese to the point where I can't walk, I am, indeed, disabled, but don't necessarily have to be for the next 20 years. Diet/exercise/surgery/etc could all reduce the obesity, but in the…

There's a reason you have to requalify every three years.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by cxr » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 11:18 PM UTC

pacaro wrote: post #479

cxr wrote: post #465

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As input, any permutation of full year, full month name, and day of the month is unambiguous wrt any date on or after January 1, 100 CE* and therefore sensible, no matter how unusual/obscure. (The issue of handling multiple languages isn't a rejoinder to this, because that's just localization, which is an umbrella that should already exist so treating it like a new requirement would just be double counting.) This is…

Only if you use a proleptic calendar. If you are entering dates from historic documents, you need to know which calendar the author of the document was using

Did you read my comment in the parenthetical?

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by wing-_-nuts » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 11:19 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #490

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #460

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Mostly agreed on all of this. The only real way out for people on SSI, based on my experience, is to get a degree in a field where your disability doesn't hold you back. For me, this was computer science. However, I'm not about to go tell everyone on SSI the way out of that poverty trap is to simply 'learn to code'. I'm fully aware that 'learning to code' isn't even an option for most of the able bodied population, m…

The majority of disabled people would much rather work a significant amount, but employers will turn away a hundred willing disabled employees over spending even ten bucks on accommodating their disability. I have a dwarf friend (his preferred terminology) who has a chemistry degree, and had to interview at fifty different places, including ten interviews at the same place where many of the managers knew him by name…

Yeah I have cerebral palsy. My one request for accommodation is that I be allowed to 'whiteboard' seated with pen and paper. This is often ignored. In the past, I didn't push the issue until I found myself solving a hard problem at a whiteboard in front of a panel of 7 people who peppered me with questions for the better part of an hour. Stress makes my spasticity worse, so by the end I was literally shaking. Afterward they provided feedback to the recruiter that while my solution worked, I didn't seem confident enough or cool under pressure.

These days, I've done well enough for myself that I can push back. Remote interviews are especially nice. My current boss didn't even know I had a disability until we met in person months after I started.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by mgkimsal » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 11:21 PM UTC

jstarfish wrote: post #504

mgkimsal wrote: post #352

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> If you're only disabled because you eat too much and can't be bothered to exercise I question whether you're actually disabled. Perhaps there's a distinction between chronic/permanent disabilities and transient disabilities? If I'm obese to the point where I can't walk, I am, indeed, disabled, but don't necessarily have to be for the next 20 years. Diet/exercise/surgery/etc could all reduce the obesity, but in the…

There's a reason you have to requalify every three years.

Well there you go. I’m not intimately versed in the specifics. Thanks for clarifying.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by say__what » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 11:46 PM UTC

98Windows wrote: post #195

I became disabled after a music festival last year. The music was too loud and something broke in my ear. Now every sound hurts me, my voice is far too painful, going for a walk outside is too painful. Basically I can't do anything but sit in a silent room and browse the internet. Pain hyperacusis sucks. I wish I'd been more careful with my hearing.

I have got my right lung busted by a sub-woofer at the techno rave party in 2011. Still hurts from time to time as there are some wierd scars left inside.

I think the concert\rave\nightclub sound levels should be revised globally. It is so stupid to blast mostly shitty music that loud. It will not make it better...

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by cxr » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 11:47 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #484

cxr wrote: post #465

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As input, any permutation of full year, full month name, and day of the month is unambiguous wrt any date on or after January 1, 100 CE* and therefore sensible, no matter how unusual/obscure. (The issue of handling multiple languages isn't a rejoinder to this, because that's just localization, which is an umbrella that should already exist so treating it like a new requirement would just be double counting.) This is…

> As input, any permutation of full year, full month name, and day of the month is unambiguous wrt any date on or after January 1, 100 CE* and therefore sensible, no matter how unusual/obscure If you are using a proleptic Gregorian (or Julian, but why on earth would you do that) calendar, sure. If its not one of those (but its still the Roman-derived Christian calendar in some form), there are ambiguities, and if its…

The comment I replied to specified ISO 8601. The Gregorian constraint is a given.

I put in a whole clause in my original comment to preempt this flavor of pedantic sniping that involves applying double standards. And yet here we are.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by cxr » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 11:53 PM UTC

tjoff wrote: post #473

cxr wrote: post #465

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As input, any permutation of full year, full month name, and day of the month is unambiguous wrt any date on or after January 1, 100 CE* and therefore sensible, no matter how unusual/obscure. (The issue of handling multiple languages isn't a rejoinder to this, because that's just localization, which is an umbrella that should already exist so treating it like a new requirement would just be double counting.) This is…

Noone would expect that so you'd need to explain it and get people to spell correctly. Not convinced it is a good UX. "Just localization" isn't "just". Many people have the wrong localization on their computers. Partly because they don't always communicate in their native language. But also because google et. al. are doing such a piss poor job of it. It is also always weird if your are on an international site. Enter…

> Noone would expect that

You are moving the goalposts.

> "Just localization" isn't "just". Many people have the wrong localization on their computers.

Think about this for a minute longer. Do you have an example or scenario for the use of a Web site where the author can fall into a pit of success (despite having the user's wrong localization) on all things except for dates and that would be broken by allowing* this date input method?

Even ignoring that:

What I said was that "any permutation of full year, full month name, and day of the month is unambiguous". There are a finite number of months and a finite number of localized tokens for representing those months. Do you have an example of two different locales that use the same token (or token sequence) to denote different months on the calendar?

* the word "allowing" playing a crucial role here