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TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Just want to share these relevant videos from Asianometry: How Semiconductors Ruined East Germany https://youtu.be/cxrkC-pMH_s Why Europe Lost Semiconductors https://youtu.be/5ZdmS-EAbHo Europe’s Lost Decades in Semiconductors https://youtu.be/PpSdytrNEBg It's great to get chip manufacturing back to Germany after all the struggles, even if it's not cutting edge.

Love that channel, dude actually has researchers on the team to help him make good content.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Isn't this a rampant problem across Europe thought? I went on a beach vacation with some French friends and was sort of stunned/apalled at the sort of non-stop "it is all the muslim/immigrants" fault talk.

What is this comment down voted? I think that the post makes a valid point. Not speaking about France, but I am always stunned when people think that they can make obviously Islamophobic comments in front of me. I always try to push back, but they regularly push back harder. I'm tired of it. It is bizarre, anti-social behaviour in 2023. I guess that during the 1930s in some of parts of Europe were similar for Jews/Ro…

> I guess that during the 1930s in some of parts of Europe were similar for Jews/Romani. "Normal" daily discrimination was a way of life.

1930s? How about 2023 :)

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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It is about Fab that is not in native Anglosphere. Some bias is expected on Anglosphere site even if the news is not about something ground-breaking.

It's also all coming together: it's about Germany, which a lot of Europeans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), then it's about East Germany which a lot of West Germans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), and finally it's also about the EU's / Germany's governing model which most startup-scene-hipsters on HN don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly). There's hardly a topic…

This could use some more explanation.

Why do west germans have a negative opinion of east germans?... I vowed never to return to berlin, hated it, so I'm interested in the reasons.

What does HN think of the scene in germany? I've never heard this.

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It's also all coming together: it's about Germany, which a lot of Europeans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), then it's about East Germany which a lot of West Germans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), and finally it's also about the EU's / Germany's governing model which most startup-scene-hipsters on HN don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly). There's hardly a topic…

> Germany, which a lot of Europeans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly) Do you have a source for that, because that's not the impression I, as a non German European, have.

It varies. They have a bit of a rep and stereotypes, much like France, for example.

The thing is that germany has the history of racial genocide, along with a number of nasty features. The german economy has done well. Maybe too well. They refuse to buy non-german products to spread the prosperity with EU.

Germany as a country has some cultural feature that are not fun. It's riddled with busy-bodies. Germans have too many of the type of people that can be a pain to work with due to their relentless pursuit of... constant improvement? perfection? idk what it is.

Then you have the countries stance towards outsiders, the disabled, people that are different that isn't always the most welcoming. Germans can be sooo snooty and pretentious.

Example from trip to Berlin. I did not realize how hard the clubs were to get into. You have to do this whole song and dance where you prepare to look cool, somewhat edgy, but not too edgy! while simultaneous pretending not to care about any of it.

Everything must be just right! Don't come alone (no one wants weird loner), or in a large group (big groups can be too much). Don't be foreign (this is an unwritten rule they pretend doesn't exist). You pay for tickets too, even if they don't let you in. All this for a techno club, which is unheard of, even blasphemous where I'm from.

Also the genocide / Nazi thing. I'm really sick of people acting like germany should just be over it by now. It's the same people living there that did it basically. Some of those same ideas exists (see before mentioned policies that exclude foreigners and people with disabilities)

So yeah, I get the hate. Definitely, the French tend to feel this way, but it seems like the Italians get it too... and UK and Spain, lol. It's really hit or miss, and often just a mild dislike.

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Best of luck to them, they're gonna need it.

What would it even take to change your mind lmao

Healthy numbers. If people aren’t buying VW vehicles because the prices are higher than Hyundai due to the energy situation, that’s not good.

Germany is deindustrializing as we speak (chemicals, auto and auto related, etc). Once you deindustrialize past a certain threshold, it’s very difficult to come back.

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Why would be the language death bad. Imho, from practical point of view it doesn't make sense to have multiple languages, or?

Language is culture, and if the sapir-whorf hypothesis holds, different languages are literally different methods of thinking. there are also other potential benefits, e.g. "the" in english gives little information about what noun may follow. "die/das/der" in general cut the probability space to a third.

When speakers of a dying language learn a dominant one they don't lose their way of thinking, rather they adapt the dominant language to their needs. In this way the dominant language evolves. It's why there are ~180k english words but only 1200 Sindarian words.

While I agree that cultural loss is tragic, consider that it is inevitable. Homo Sapiens have existed for ~200,000 years. We only have SOME traces of SOME cultures for say 10k of those years. So from that lens, the vast majority of human culture has already been lost.

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It's also all coming together: it's about Germany, which a lot of Europeans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), then it's about East Germany which a lot of West Germans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), and finally it's also about the EU's / Germany's governing model which most startup-scene-hipsters on HN don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly). There's hardly a topic…

This could use some more explanation. Why do west germans have a negative opinion of east germans?... I vowed never to return to berlin, hated it, so I'm interested in the reasons. What does HN think of the scene in germany? I've never heard this.

Just look around in the comments here, you'll find plenty of stereotyping. One thing is important though: Berlin is neither East nor West (never has been after WW2), it's entirely it's own thing culture wise. Your experience in Berlin won't really tell you anything about the rest of Germany.

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What would it even take to change your mind lmao

Healthy numbers. If people aren’t buying VW vehicles because the prices are higher than Hyundai due to the energy situation, that’s not good. Germany is deindustrializing as we speak (chemicals, auto and auto related, etc). Once you deindustrialize past a certain threshold, it’s very difficult to come back.

VW just claimed the top spot from Tesla for electric car sales in Germany:

https://www.dw.com/en/vw-electric-cars-tesla-germany/a-66468...

https://insideevs.com/news/681020/volkswagen-outsells-tesla-...

Hyundai is currently at sixth place behind VW, Tesla, MB, BMW and Audi:

https://insideevs.com/news/677504/germany-allelectric-car-sa...

In 2022 Tesla was at the top, VW second and Hyundai third, so Hyunday actually seems to be losing ground against other German car brands, at least in the EV market segment:

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/electric/2022-full-year-ge...

I think the announcement of the 'deindustrialization' of Germany might be a bit premature.

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No offense but there's no possible comparison between the two, and comparing the situations only highlight your lack of understanding of the situations: - Hong Kong belonged to China already, it just had a special status that was supposed to expire at some point, Xi “just” went ahead of schedule but there wasn't anything to stop him from doing so (no independent HK government, no army, etc) - Taiwan is a complete sta…

> Hong Kong belonged to China already, it just had a special status that was supposed to expire at some point Hong Kong was leased to the British Crown in the perpetuity.

This is a bad faith comment.

The new territories had a 99 year lease and in 1997 had more than 2 million Hong Kongers living there. About a third of the population.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Exactly. All the big economic success was due to state coordination and intervention, not (neo-)liberalism. Liberalism might work for a smaller country that becomes a trading hub (like Singapore), and uses low taxes as a sort of parasitic strategy; that's why it cannot be replicated by large countries. I am glad that Germany is coming to their senses and finally rejecting neoliberalism. Now if only Eurozone leadershi…

Eurozone leadership will never do that, because of national egoisms. Just look at how Airbus builds its airplanes, because everybody wants a slice, so they fly each airplane body halfway across the continent and back... And Airbus is just 4 nations (FR, DE, ES, UK). Collaboration across all of the Eurozone or all of the EU would be a mess of ITER-like proportions.

If one was designing a European aircraft manufacturer from the ground up one would not choose the Airbus model… but that’s not what happened. They were all going to require state subsidy, presumably the total subsidy is less than if each state were subsidising their own aircraft manufacturer to compete with each other. And if they had settled on one location and the other sites had shut down you and I well know the governments would just be subsidising jobs in some other industry.

“National egoisms” is a nebulous phrase. The fact is that they would have been punished by their political systems. The governments handed out the subsidies that were necessary to not be punished. That’s democracy.

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