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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by anticensor »

perilunar wrote: post #420
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IMV, apart from the Model S Tesla’s are ugly cars The Y looks like an over inflated balloon (BMW, Mercedes, Mini and others have the same issue with some of their models) And the 3 just doesn’t look like anyone designed the front end — the angle of the junction between the bonnet (hood) and the windscreen is wrong, and the front grill just looks like someone forgot it needed designing

Electric cars don't need a front grill — there's no radiator. Putting a big grill on an electric car is as stupid as putting a fake horse head on a horseless carriage. (and I quite like the look of the Tesla 3 front end.)

Batteries do need temperature control.

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Post by nixarn »

moonchrome wrote: post #404
nixarn wrote: post #319

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Although the purchase price is higher, lifetime is not much different. https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/tesla-model-3-total-cost-of-... And the Model Y is cheaper than the Toyota Rav4 which is in the same category. So cheaper purchase price, and no annual oil changes, cheap miles (at least over in Finland where gas is 2e/liter, 8.14usd/gallon and electricity is around 10euro cents/kwh).

Where are you getting these prices ? RAV4 is a lower end of price for the category here, even Model 3 is more expensive.

These are Finland prices. I just checked now the cheapest new awd rav4, and it's 55k (to compare to the LR AWD Moldel Y). But then it you want lane assist, you need another trim level and it'll go up to closer 59k. The model y is 55k.

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Post by snovv_crash »

treyfitty wrote: post #492
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You generally don’t need to replace the battery of an EV during it’s life time.

That depends on how you’re defining lifetime. I doubt the batteries of today will last 12 years, which is the average age of cars on US roads.

What data are you basing this on? From what I've seen Teslas still typically have 80%+ capacity after 200k miles.

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Post by rickdeckard »

Dalewyn wrote: post #344
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The thing is, these PR puff pieces aka submarine articles: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html are all everywhere for Tesla, like they are for Apple. I've seen entire sites dissect the Apple Watch or Apple mobile cameras, or Teslas. Their competitors are very comparable yet you have to hand it to Tesla, their behind the scenes PR game is through the roof.

You say that, meanwhile just yesterday we had someone drive-by to tell us a 2021 Honda uses computing technology from 2012[1]. So pardon me if I lend more credence to the notion that tech companies outstrip car companies when it comes to technology. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36052753

There's a difference between technology for the sake of comfort/entertainment and technology for critical elements of a product able to kill you and others.

If I need to get an eye-surgery and the equipment runs on Android, I'd rather go for the one running on Android 4 for 10 years already, than the one running on Android 13 for 6 months now...

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Post by nixarn »

pleb_nz wrote: post #401
nixarn wrote: post #319

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Although the purchase price is higher, lifetime is not much different. https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/tesla-model-3-total-cost-of-... And the Model Y is cheaper than the Toyota Rav4 which is in the same category. So cheaper purchase price, and no annual oil changes, cheap miles (at least over in Finland where gas is 2e/liter, 8.14usd/gallon and electricity is around 10euro cents/kwh).

RAV4s are approx 40k where I come from, while Tesla is 70k+. Are you teslas cheap or RaVs overpriced?

Seem very country dependent. I just checked and a rav4 with awd and lane assist (to try to match it to the LR AWD model y) cost ~3k more over here (58k vs 55k euros)

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Post by londons_explore »

yurishimo wrote: post #474
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People who care about price don't pay $3k/year on car servicing at a car dealer... They buy some reliable model and pay $50 for an oil change every other year.

I assume you're not in the US since your pricing is totally out of place with most US consumer spending on vehicle maintenance. $50 for an oil change is about right, but every other year? Even Americans who don't drive that often will generally change it about every 6 months. Not to mention things like tires have a lifespan. Even if they aren't worn out, most tires are not meant to be used for longer than around 5 ye…

Most manufacturers suggest 12,000 mile oil changes. By the time your vehicle is old and less valuable, 25,000 miles makes more sense as long as the oil from the last change didn't show signs of contamination by water/soot/particulates (since the cost of the oil change is fixed, but the additional devaluation of the vehicle by not changing the oil is much less). For a typical driver, that makes it once per 2 years.

Things like tyres are normally bought part-worn. My last set was $25/tyre, inc fitting, with 5mm tread left. Degradation can be determined by visual inspection - rubber does degrade, but it isn't a safety hazard until there are cracks allowing light to get to the cords in the tyre (light degrades the cords, which is a safety hazard).

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Post by blake1 »

D13Fd wrote: post #500
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What's wrong with minivans? I always loved having the ability to haul tons of stuff or people depending on the need.

Agreed. I would love a good electric minivan (e.g. an electric Honda Odyssey). There are supposed to be a few coming down the pike but I had to buy a cheap used internal combustion one for now.

Minivan seems like a great form factor for an EV. Unfortunately, the small number of companies that still make minivans are also the companies that are slowest to adopt EVs.

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Post by prmoustache »

blake1 wrote: post #507
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Agreed. I would love a good electric minivan (e.g. an electric Honda Odyssey). There are supposed to be a few coming down the pike but I had to buy a cheap used internal combustion one for now.

Minivan seems like a great form factor for an EV. Unfortunately, the small number of companies that still make minivans are also the companies that are slowest to adopt EVs.

It is the ideal form factor for anyone with a little bit of sense. It has the best room/capacity per footprint.

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Post by gitfan86 »

x3874 wrote: post #428
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It might be "2 times as expensive" up front, but not for the TCO. People really need to remember maintenance costs over the ownership period. In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation / alignment / rubber replacements, and air filters. Plus the electricity, in place of fuel. The savings add up significantly.

Is this myth still lingering on? You have to pay a lot more on maintenace for Teslas: brake pads, shattered roofs, fogging taillights, broken control arms, drive units, worn out seats, MCUs, tail bumpers lost in the rain, ... that list goes on. Provided Tesla can deliver spare parts, which they frequently can't for months, which is a story in itself (hint: having to support x iterations may work for SW, but not for c…

I didn't know Toyota had introduced a model where the glass cannot break and the seats don't take wear and tear. What model is that?

Does that model also not require oil changes?

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Post by hajile »

D13Fd wrote: post #500
CalRobert wrote: post #489

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What's wrong with minivans? I always loved having the ability to haul tons of stuff or people depending on the need.

Agreed. I would love a good electric minivan (e.g. an electric Honda Odyssey). There are supposed to be a few coming down the pike but I had to buy a cheap used internal combustion one for now.

The Pacifica seems interesting as the only PHEV around. 32 miles on electric will take you a lot of places while still having a motor means you can haul heavy stuff or even tow without range dropping to nothing.
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