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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by mrguyorama »

nerdbert wrote: post #477
PurpleRamen wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does the government have to do with what apps I use in my free time? Because it's literally their job: Protect the citizen. They may not do a good job all the time, most times they are even very bad. But nonetheless do they try and prevent most of the worst cases. And TikTok is so insane efficient in what it's doing, the line between benefit and harm is so thin, it could easily turn into a "worst case"-scenari…

What about propaganda outlets like Newsmax and OANN? Many would argue they've had far more harmful impact on the USA than Tiktok ever could. Where do you draw the line? It has to be domestic propaganda? Can you prove that those don't have foreign links?

You draw the line SOMEWHERE, just like you always do, for every right already. We already have lines all over rights, and it's not crazy to add another line somewhere and let the judiciary move it around and change it's shape. That's their job.

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Post by ultrarunner »

Nanana909 wrote: post #429
egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

IMO this sounds a bit more like an argument for banning the "vast majority" of VPN apps on the Google/App stores apparently re-routing all traffic to enemies (though I'm skeptical) and less of an argument as to whether or not TikTok should be banned.

So it’s bans all the way down? Maybe prohibition will work this time.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by logdap »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #414
sphars wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Utah has passed a law that requires age verification to view porn: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/utah-law-requiring-porn-...

Oh right, I remember seeing something about that now. Guess I was expecting something a bit worse, I don't see how online age requirements will help but it doesn't land as "hyper-totalitarian" to me either. Feels like a less enforcement version of age limits on buying alcohol or cigarettes - a hit on personal freedoms but can't say I've ever heard those labeled as totalitarian.

You could very reasonably call it authoritarian, but it objectively isn't totalitarian. Words tend to lose meaning in conversations like this.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by twelve40 »

amelius wrote: post #393
egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

Meanwhile nobody is speaking about the real enemy here, which is data-brokers who will gladly sell any data of US citizens to evil countries. We would be better served by a total ban on user tracking technologies.

data brokers like who? and what the hell would China even do with my data? or which countries is my data supposedly sold to?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by ultrarunner »

mrguyorama wrote: post #498
tibbydudeza wrote: post #387

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Or vendors that currently sell cases and repair screens will then offer a service to sideload such apps for teens and install who knows what other stuff on phones for a fee from a customer and malware vendors. The Prohibition did now work back then and only made the Mafia rich and made them push drugs when it was lifted.

Except prohibition did exactly what it was designed to do. At the start of prohibition, alcohol consumption dropped to 30% of what it was before, and even after people figured out the loopholes and tried working around it, alcohol consumption peaked at like 65% of previous consumption, which was massive.

If the actual goal was to improve safety, health, and quality of life in perpetuity, I’m skeptical that it did what it was designed to do. A law that simply imprisoned everyone might also improve some metrics, but at great cost. The argument is presumably that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by rvz »

The comments in both here and especially on The Verge is extremely hilarious. This only shows that even under Biden, TikTok was getting banned regardless of Trump being in office and that did not change the outcome of the ban.

Something better than a ban is to fine TikTok in the billions of dollars each time it repeats these privacy violations and pay all its users back the data it has collected, just like Facebook has done when the FTC fined them in the billions.

That seems to be fair for everyone instead of this wanton reactionary cope with little action other than screaming in the comments section.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by laratied »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #424
vasco wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the government have to do with what apps I use in my free time? Are they also going to force me to read nonfiction instead of fiction because it's "the right move"? This sounds like some dystopian crap. What committee decides which apps are good for you or not and how long is long enough?

> What does the government have to do with what apps I use in my free time? Because it's literally their job: Protect the citizen. They may not do a good job all the time, most times they are even very bad. But nonetheless do they try and prevent most of the worst cases. And TikTok is so insane efficient in what it's doing, the line between benefit and harm is so thin, it could easily turn into a "worst case"-scenari…

The PLA has published brilliant books on how to beat America in a non-kinetic war but Americans in general don't like to read.

As someone who thinks Unrestricted Warfare is one of the most brilliant books I have ever read, the idea most have not read this book in the US military is quite laughable.

Imagine people having no issue with the Soviet Union delivering a free daily newspaper to US teenagers in 1960. The level Americans have their head up their own ass is unbelievable.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by amelius »

twelve40 wrote: post #504
amelius wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile nobody is speaking about the real enemy here, which is data-brokers who will gladly sell any data of US citizens to evil countries. We would be better served by a total ban on user tracking technologies.

data brokers like who? and what the hell would China even do with my data? or which countries is my data supposedly sold to?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/opinion/intel-data-broker...

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by teawrecks »

zabana wrote: post #476
can16358p wrote: post #376

I hate TikTok and CCP, but banning an app from use is just wrong. Want to fight TikTok addiction or privacy issues with CCP? Sure, do it. But find other ways: banning users from using it, whereas especially everybody else can access it, is a huge punch on the rights of your own people.

The thing is, most people outside the "larger ethnic group" in the US couldn't care less about their data being funneled to the CCP. The anti china/russia/ seems to really be a WASP centric pathological obsession. Just my 2c

That's why the issue needs to be solved by legislation that regulates data collection. Targeting a specific app just because of WHO the data is going to is at best a military operation, or at worst xenophobic. Doesn't matter to me who is trying to collect my data, I want a say.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by tlogan »

Can somebody explain to me how TikTok in iPhone is worse than Facebook?

The say "TikTok collects a large amount of personal information, which has raised concerns about data mining and potential misuse of user data." - what information they collect and Facebook does not collect?

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