Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI • Hacker News Board

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by carefulobserver » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 8:38 PM UTC

wokwokwok wrote: post #165

seydor wrote: post #73

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I can already run gpt4xalpaca on my PC, a model that is not-bad-at-all and is completely uncensored (i.e. does things that chatGPT can't do). I think it's true that LLMs are racing to the bottom and will be even more once they can fit as a peripheral to every computer. whoever is investing in this to monopolize has not thought it through

It’s astonishing to me that people seem to believe the llama models are “just as good” as the large models these companies are building, and most people are only using the 7B model, because that’s all their hardware can support. …I mean, “not-bad-at-all” depends on your context. For doing mean real work (ie. not porn or spam) these tiny models suck. Yup, even the refined ones with the “good training data”. They’re to…

I think that Alpaca 30 billion is pretty competitive with ChatGPT except on coding tasks. What benchmarks are you using to make your determination about suitability for B2B?

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by xp84 » Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 2:11 PM UTC

sharemywin wrote: post #324

xp84 wrote: post #216

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It certainly stretches the bounds of reason for me that you could put a person in an isolation chamber with a powerful computer with no network connection, and after they type a few words into it, if the output of the computer has certain qualities, they are now a felon and the output is illegal to possess. But this seems like the world the “AI-regulators” seem to want.

you don't think it would be problematic for someone to create deep fake images of some ones kids in explicit sexual positions? I certainly think if the parents found out about it and the law wouldn't do anything about it the parents would take the law into their own hands. I'm sorry if this wasn't phrased very well. I just didn't know how else to make my point with out be very specific.

A skilled artist can already easily do that and there's no law against it that I know of. (Granted, I haven't researched it because I'm neither an artist nor a pervert...)

Now, if they were drawn to resemble specific people and the producer of the "artwork" used them to harass those people, that's harassment. If they used them to groom other kids, that's an existing crime too. But my point was that the production of gross art in isolation, or the possession of it, didn't need to be criminalized. (Actual photographs of the same were criminalized because of the pretty decent assumption that minors were coerced, harmed, exploited. Probably all of the above.)

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by lobocinza » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:04 AM UTC

littlestymaar wrote: post #486

lobocinza wrote: post #484

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"A lot of money" is a lot less money per user than to buy 64GB RAM to run an inferior model locally + energy and opportunity costs. The OpenAI APIs are super cheap for a single user needs. I expect them to be at least close to breaking even with their APIs pricing.

> "A lot of money" is a lot less money per user than to buy 64GB RAM if OpenAI isn't able to get couple hundred bucks over the typical lifetime of a computer it means the added value they provide is very low (like several times less than Spotify or Netflix for instance), meaning they'll never be “the next Google”. And if they are it means it make sense to buy it once instead of paying several times the price through…

> Expect to pay a lot more if/when the market is captive.

Yes, this is a possibility but cloud computing became a commodity.

But I see why people would pay to have their own private and unfiltered models/embeddings.

> if OpenAI isn't able to get couple hundred bucks over the typical lifetime of a computer it means the added value they provide is very low (like several times less than Spotify or Netflix for instance), meaning they'll never be “the next Google”.

They don't have to worry about this today.

> What opportunity cost?

You could utilize the money and the time spent to do other things.

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by freediver » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 5:45 AM UTC

d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #480

freediver wrote: post #252

claude-instant-v1 is one of the "best kept secrets". It is comperable in quality to gpt-3.5-turno, while being four times faster (!) and at half the price (!). We just released a minimal python library PyLLMs [1] to simplify using various LLMs (openai, anthropic, AI21..) and as a part of that we designed a LLM benchmark. All open source. [1] https://github.com/kagisearch/pyllms/tree/main#benchmarks

Could PyLLMs connect to a locally running LLM (e.g, llama variant)?

Not yet but PRs welcome!