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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by dragonelite »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

If not working means government given subsistence living no thank you. If it means I can have the same living standard for 24,32 hours which now takes like 40 hours sure. But there isn't an surplus of non-big tech developers in the world.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by babyshake »

surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

We're also seeing with the AutoGPT/BabyAGI type apps that while there is an exciting initial demo, GPT-4 is not ready to just autonomously develop any high quality complex app by itself, soup to nuts. This status quo might not last more than a few more years, though.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

999900000999 wrote: post #433

In my experience with Chat GPT it usually gets things right 85% right. But the last 15% is making sure things actually work, and Chat GPT simply can't do that. Your friend still is going to have a job, but she'll probably be made much more productive by AI tools. We're a long ways off from actually being able to depend on these tools for any reliable type of output.

Such rationalizations always ignore the trajectory we're on. Just look at the vast difference between GPT-2 (2019), GPT-3 (2020) and GPT-4 (2023).

If this progression continues, in 10 years all jobs that can be solved by software, will be solved by AI.

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Post by habibur »

> Her work requires just enough domain expertise that it is been non-trivial to automate...

Forget ChatGPT. If Priya didn't struggle with coding, she could have gradually automate this task using some scripting langauge and just sit there in office and earn a living. Like many other similar stories we have heard.

These types of repeated regular tasks get automated, ChatGPT or not.

Interestingly in the age of Artificial Intelligence, jobs that require human "intelligence" are more likely to survive. As in spite of the name, AI really isn't that smart.

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Post by phkahler »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

>> To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income.

What is income? What is it used for?

Answers: it's a reward for work. And it is used as an incentive to get others to work.

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Post by paulcole »

tap-snap-or-nap wrote: post #116
danielrpa wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs often make people feel useful. While many can be the happy unemployed person playing Counterstrike 24/7, many others need some sort of occupation for self-realization. This is actually a common problem, which can even became a major psychological issue, with people entering retirement. Maybe one day we can live in a world where machines are doing all the work and there are fulfilling hobbies for everybody, but I…

Anyone who has been unemployed may know how badly it affects a persons self-worth.

Because modern adult life is built around working. If working wasn’t the default state then being unemployed wouldn’t feel bad.

Does an 8-year old feel “bad” because they are unemployed?

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Post by elforce002 »

kaibee wrote: post #3
T-A wrote: post #2

> GPT4 gave the correct answer in 1/10th the time it would take Priya and cost a lot less. [...] Priya has tried to learn coding, but she has struggled. Not that she gets a lot of time to do it either. 1) Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time. 2) Let her use part (50%+) of the time saved to learn coding or whatever other skill she needs (not sure coding is it).

> 1) Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time. Why would I subsidize that as a business owner? I can fire 9/10ths of the people who do that job instead.

Interesting. Who's going to buy products and services? 1/10th of the remaining employees? What would happen with to the 9/10 unemployed people? Imagine a really big chunk of the human population trying to digest the idea of not being able to work, eat, feed their families, etc...

The industrial revolution switched work from almost exclusively manual labor to a more intellectual one while improving manual labor itself (better tools, etc.).

This one is cranking up a notch times 100 by trying to replace basically the human out of the equation altogether (This is the end goal of automation).

It's going to be a really interesting decade tbh.

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Post by saulpw »

_fat_santa wrote: post #491
surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

By this logic, Priya (the subject of the authors post) would not loose her job but rather just become more productive at her job. And I think that's the key to this whole "GPT4 is taking our jobs argument" that people need to understand, GPT is a bit like Autopilot in a Tesla, it can do the work for you but you still need a trained person there to guide it. Folks like Priya will not loose their jobs IMO, the company…

With GPT-4, Priya can do the work of 10 data curators in the same amount of time! She won't lose her job, they can afford to pay her more, because they won't need to pay 9 of her colleagues. Unless of course, one of her more experienced, connected, upper caste colleagues gets the 10x job instead.

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Post by fsloth »

This sounds like a false dichtomy. If the protagonist is adding value, letting them use chat-gpt should be viewed as increasing their value output x-fold. Chat-gpt makes mistakes and hallucinates. You will still need a human in an editorial role. But maybe I’m not understanding something obvious here.

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Post by luckylion »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #335
luckylion wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? It's here, you're living in it, most likely. You just have to lower your wants to the standards of whenever that prediction was made.

How do you square that rationalization with the fact that you could buy a house on a high school diploma and a factory job back then? :p (With a pension ! Everyone had those back then. What even is a pension? I don't know. It's something like "the company keeps paying you when you stop working", I think, but it sounds dope.)

I think if you compare then vs now in absolute terms, you'll find that the house wouldn't be considered adequate today, the insulation was bad, the plumbing questionable and electricity wasn't there (depending on when you compare to, but it needs to be sufficiently far away, few people said in the 80ies that nobody would work by 2020).

Quality today is generally much better and "average" isn't the same. I read a piece one some woman who lived around 200 years ago and she traveled to a city ~100km away, which was a noteworthy biographical event back then. That's a distance some people do daily on their way to work these days. Travel to a different continent? You'd be exceptional if you did so once in your life, today that's available to most people in the West to do once a year (granted, it won't be the luxury version, it'll be like my trip to NYC 25 years ago where we stayed in a hotel that was being renovated, the elevator was out once and we had to climb 12 floors but it was super affordable).

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