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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bombcar »

anthonypasq wrote: post #449
joshstrange wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been my experience since I first went from windows to mac. People always talk about the "Apple Tax" and it's real but it's not as obscene as people make it out to be when you factor in longevity. I had friends in college who were replacing ~$400-500 machines almost yearly while my ~$1,200 machine (2009) lasted all 4 years and then some. I only upgraded since I was using it professionally and wanted some more…

did you ever stop to think that maybe if they bought a $1200 windows machine it would have lasted 4 years. also macs were very early to hop on the ssd train and that was an insane advantage over most windows machines. I think that gap has closed substantially at this point.

The problem is finding the $1200 windows machine that feels valuable and worth it after four years; it's hard to find one that has the "build quality" if you will. Maybe people with the Surface are pleased with it still, that looked pretty nice.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by airstrike »

dylan604 wrote: post #485
airstrike wrote: post #377

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Ain't no way shipping and taxes equal 100% of the product's price

So you're telling me you've never shipped things internationally before? It happens way more than you, especially, would think

I have, countless times. I've shipped everything from small boxes to containers. If you're paying $500 on taxes on top of your $500 product, you're doing something wrong

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Post by runjake »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

  > I am surprised I am getting downvoted
Probably for this statement:

  > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time.
and subsequently for this flamey statement:

  > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product.
FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been through the following MacBooks:

- 2013 MB (Glorious, ran forever, needed more RAM and speed)

- 2016 MBP (bad keyboard, then rapid battery expansion)

- 2018 MBP (battery expansion, then logic board failure)

- 2019/2020 MBP (logic board failure)

- M1 MBP 13" (nothing, it's running beautifully.)

IIRC, all of the above failures happened just outside of the warranty period. For personal MacBooks, I will no longer go without AppleCare+. The risk of failure and accidental damage is too great.

We have an org with thousands of MBPs with similar experiences. It got bad enough that discussions were had about switching staff to Chromebooks or Windows laptops. (Chromebooks didn't meet requirements and Windows laptops are even worse for hardware and software reasons)

All of these devices basically sat on a desk in a ~68F office most of the time.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by pier25 »

masklinn wrote: post #56
pigsty wrote: post #30

The dollar is insanely strong right now and global Mac prices raised in accordance with that. In places that don’t use USD, prices shot up by tens of percent overnight while the US prices are the same as ever. Japan, for example, got a price increase of about 40% on all items. Unsurprisingly, sales declined.

Yep, and that’s always been an issue with Apple products: they set their prices in USD, then set the foreign price using conversions from around release date (plus taxes obviously). That means if the dollar was very strong at release, the machines get very expensive in foreign currency.

Plus some other stuff.

Here in Mexico Apple products are around 20-25% more expensive than in the US which is way higher than simply adding the 16% VAT.

Not only that, in the US it's common to have Apple sales in multiple retailers like BH etc. These are almost non existent here in Mexico. The best we get is some meager discount at Costco for the models nobody wants.

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Post by justinzollars »

pjc50 wrote: post #225
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

Too many people are just replaying inflation discourse from the 1930s and 1970s over and over again in their head, talking up the imminent collapse of the dollar, without actually taking a look around.

This post is about Apple halting M2 Production in January and reduced mac sales.

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Post by pjmlp »

altcognito wrote: post #267
chii wrote: post #164

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But a mac air is a luxury item, and its pricing reflects that. I don't think it's absurd at all. A similarly capable laptop could be had for a much lower price, so people that complain they cannot get this luxury item for an "affordable" price just sounds entitled to me.

I would love to hear more macOS users admit that their equipment was a status indicator, overpriced for what it is. I’m sure apple is excited about cultivating this brand identity. If there is one way I can think that they could get away from the “Sony” or Nike model, it’s being seen as a luxury item, a tool of the select few, instead of just a high quality brand, that yes, might be a little more expensive. -- Just a…

See "The Cult of Mac" book,

https://www.amazon.com/Cult-Mac-Leander-Kahney/dp/1886411832...

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Post by BluePen7 »

anthonypasq wrote: post #449
joshstrange wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been my experience since I first went from windows to mac. People always talk about the "Apple Tax" and it's real but it's not as obscene as people make it out to be when you factor in longevity. I had friends in college who were replacing ~$400-500 machines almost yearly while my ~$1,200 machine (2009) lasted all 4 years and then some. I only upgraded since I was using it professionally and wanted some more…

did you ever stop to think that maybe if they bought a $1200 windows machine it would have lasted 4 years. also macs were very early to hop on the ssd train and that was an insane advantage over most windows machines. I think that gap has closed substantially at this point.

Maybe it could have lasted 4 years, but you had to choose carefully.

I've worked at orgs that used a variety of expensive windows laptops, because they kept having abysmal failure rates and switching every year.

They already had stacks of failed Surface Books and ASUS Zenbooks.

Maybe my HP Elitebook would have lasted, but it was terrible to use the whole time.

Not that my Mac experience has been flawless, but the odds seem to be far better.

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Post by microtonal »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #454
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

The amount of people that do almost nothing beside use spreadsheets, the browser, and email is pretty significant. The fact that these people keep updating devices constantly is a testament to Apple's marketing. I would be astounded if ~80% of users get any material benefit from a laptop newer than a high-end device from 4 years ago.

Or you know, maybe they like that it has an improved camera, better battery life (eg. after switching from Intel to Apple Silicon), larger color space which allows them to edit photos better, or the laptop got better speakers, or the laptop became more thin, or added support for fast charging, or maybe many crappy Electron apps makes them update more regularly? People can have all kinds of good reasons to update their laptop.

That said, I know plenty of Mac users who upgrade maybe every 4 or 5 years.

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Post by mulmen »

After the last five years of MacOS releases I have no idea why I would buy a Mac. The software is Windows levels of garbage. At this point I honestly think GNU/Linux is the best desktop operating system. I don't care about the hardware when the OS is straight up trash. They even broke decades old keyboard shortcuts. This is Digg levels of self-ownage. At this point Apple is anti-user and especially anti-developer. They finally got rid of Ives, I hope they do the same for whoever tanked their software direction. I hope Musk does to Apple the same he did for Twitter. Burn it down.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

stkdump wrote: post #389
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145

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Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

Peter Zeihans insistance on birth rate is a bit silly. Most developed countries, including the USA are in the 1.5-1.7 range. There are outliers like France that are higher. There isn't this huge demographic difference between Europe and the US. He is selling his message to American conservatives, so I guess the one who pays the piper calls the tune. I don't think he cares about immigration much.

Can't disagree but the biggest target of his demographics argument is always East Asia, and the numbers there are truly dismal. S. Korea's latest numbers were 0.78. I really don't know how a population can ever recover from that
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