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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by BitwiseFool »

anoonmoose wrote: post #338
BitwiseFool wrote: post #81

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I can't help but think that his prior fame and clout as a comedian, alongside his existing wealth, is what enabled him to get his recent bits produced and published. He was already well known and well liked enough to overcome the controversy. I don't think his success indicates any comedian can do the same and be free of cancellation, or that it should be taken as evidence that cancellation isn't a real thing for com…

> taken as evidence that cancellation isn't a real thing for comedians Sounds like trying to prove a negative. If people want to convince me that cancellation is a real thing for comedians, I'd want to see...examples of comedians who actually got cancelled. CK and Chappelle ain't it.

>"I'd want to see...examples of comedians who actually got cancelled"

I have an inkling of how this would go. I'd do a quick google search and offer up a handful of names. The counter argument would probably be along the lines of 'that wasn't really cancellation, it was actually...' and then we'd go back and forth debating the meaning of words.

The point I was specifically trying to make was that because Chapelle defied expectations and was successful, that does not mean cancellation isn't a real thing that can happen to other comedians.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by flangola7 »

saynay wrote: post #275
indy wrote: post #182

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Agreed, as a society we need to increase our resilience to opinions we may find uncomfortable.

Such as Twitch's opinion that this joke was a violation of their TOS, and thus deserving of a temp ban? That opinion seems to be making a lot of people here pretty uncomfortable.

A common defining attribute of harmful people like bigots is an inability to self reflect. It's akin to a thief being mad a court ordered them to turn money over to the victim. "When I take money it's wrong, but when they take it from me it's ok. People need to be comfortable with money transfers [opinions] they don't like."

Which no, we don't. We will continue to take efforts to prevent and mitigate a harmful person's ability to cause harm. This is obvious to any reasonable person but unfortunately not to the chronic thief. You cannot win over him with argument, only with unilateral action such as garnishing his bank accounts for restitution and making theft culturally unacceptable.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by crote »

harvey9 wrote: post #419
crote wrote: post #355

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The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

Here's a paper which suggests that the medical part might not be solved https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... "Conclusions Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffic…

That paper doesn't state what you think it does.

If you read the Discussion, you'd see that this study actually contrasts other similar studies, which saw no such outcome. It even explicitly states that the overall mortality rate was only significantly increased for the group operated before 1989, and mentions that

> However, the latter might also be explained by improved health care for transsexual persons during 1990s, along with altered societal attitudes towards persons with different gender expressions.

This study is often used in an attempt to discredit transgender healthcare. In fact, it is used so often that there is even an interview[0] with the author about its misrepresentation. The interview links half a dozen other studies done since then which confirm that transgender healthcare does indeed work, and is in fact quite effective.

[0]: https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transit...

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mancerayder »

crote wrote: post #439
yesco wrote: post #318

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>It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. I certainly won't deny that trans people go through a lot, but stuff like this is honestly getting hard to take seriously. It's commonly repeated but going on about their "existence" itself being denied just sounds over dramatic. I don't think…

Maybe you should look up Trump's speech from a couple of days ago. He argued that transitioning at any age should be banned, and that gender-affirming healthcare should be banned by all federal agencies. Or maybe look at the law Arkansas tried to pass, where any public performance whatsoever by a transgender person would be considered an "adult performance", because they would be wearing clothes which are not traditi…

Those sound like better political targets then than artists (comedians).

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mynameisvlad »

yesco wrote: post #479
mynameisvlad wrote: post #393

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What even is this argument? “Your life admittedly sucks but I think you blow it out of proportion so I can’t feel empathy for you”

No, it's just that whenever they seem to be brought up in discussion aggressive "supporters" come out of the woodwork, over dramatically act like the world is ending over the smallest things and misrepresent my arguments with the most bad faith interpretation on purpose. Like you are doing now. It's hard for me to empathize with a group that increasingly looks less like a marginalized group, and more like some fanati…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by flangola7 »

mrozbarry wrote: post #455
_cenw wrote: post #285

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As an affected individual: Public discourse on this issue is plentiful and, unfortunately, usually full of wrong information, misconceptions and "my favorite scientist said otherwise" (probably on the JRE, against a dozen or so professional medical associations) gotchas from exterminationist groups that get invited on to have a "balanced" conversation. Transgender people do not have large political or economic impact…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Ralfp »

rittle wrote: post #482
mrguyorama wrote: post #459

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If you aren't willing to go take the time to educate yourself on the topic (there are ample resources to do so) then it is not our responsibility to educate you about trans people. Trans people are a rarity, so they tend to have to field the same like 20 questions a million times over. They just want to live their fucking lives, not answer truly ignorant questions about their genitalia from people who didn't put in e…

Attitudes like this are why people will listen to the TERFs instead, as they're always willing to talk about trans-identifying males are eradicating female-only spaces, and so on.

Well ofcourse. One just wants to live their life while other is activist promothing their case.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mrguyorama »

psychphysic wrote: post #142
verytrivial wrote: post #53

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The topic is taboo. I cannot be freely discussed on these platforms regardless of the position taken.

Yeah that's the so called "chilling effect" of these rules. With the irony being that this joke predicted its own fate. "No one is laughing and you're all gone" shortly before it's #CANCELLED.

Is it also a "chilling effect" that you shouldn't call a black person the N word? Doesn't seem to have chilled anything in rap

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Post by adamrezich »

ekleraki wrote: post #495
adamrezich wrote: post #464

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I'm not sure why you took the time to write this specific reply, when I clearly stated that I'm very familiar with the general ideology of the person who enthusiastically and repeatedly uses the word "fascist". I spent most of last decade in the greater Seattle area, in the game development scene—trust me, I've heard it all before, repeatedly, ad nauseam. there is no new information for me in your post. I was merely…

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I'm not going to engage in charged political discussion with you as this is simply not the place for it—HN is a website of curious discussion, and that does not seem to be what you are seeking here in this exchange. I can't speak for everyone but I think many people generally find it uncouth to make blanket political statements like the ones you've made here, on this website, especially when none of it directly had anything to do with the subject at hand, forcing you to resort to further and further reaching in order to connect the disparate political talking points you're apparently quite passionate about together such that they have anything at all to do with AI Seinfeld.

may I suggest that you search elsewhere on the web for a better avenue for these sorts of discussions?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ethbr0 »

willis936 wrote: post #446
yazzku wrote: post #375

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Somebody should try this again but with George Carlin.

The earth doesn’t share our prejudice toward AI. AI came out of the earth. The earth probably sees AI as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted AI for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?" "AI".

Other forms of intelligence fascinate humans because we're fundamentally lonely.

What's the point of being smart if you're alone? (in a species, as-we-understand-and-define-cognition sense)

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