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Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Because people are finally willing to speak up for their rights and let them be visible members of society?

That's a little disingenuous. A lot of people are pushing for trans rights that goes well beyond being recognized as an equal member of society. There are 100% legitimate discussions to be had which get shouted down with accusations of bigotry.

What goes beyond being recognized as an equal member? What discussions are being shouted down?

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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That’s… factually incorrect? Unless you don’t consider Fox News a news outlet, among other examples. Which (snarkily) I guess is fair.

I think their point was that BLM has flipped from counter cutler to mainline culture It’s on flags at schools, supported by government, roads are named after it, they have an enormous foundation with staff, and it’s even in college course curriculum

Ehh. I dunno, if that's "mainstream", why is this the third+ time this has had to be fought for? (BLM, Civil Rights, Civil War).

We've had pictures of MLK in schools, Civil Rights has been "supported by government", roads were named after people, there were and are enormous foundations with staff, and it's definitely in college curriculums - and it's been that way for an entire human lifetime...

...and yet the same fight is being fought again.

I'd figure if something achieved "mainstream", it wouldn't have to happen again and again.

(edit: In my head, I'm compare/contrasting with suffragette and other aspects of women's rights)

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Can you give a few examples? The 30 under 30 sure doesn't look like what you suggest, and I'm not sure where else you'd look for a list of examples

A quick Google yielded this https://itep.org/the-geographic-distribution-of-extreme-weal.... The makeup of Congress is also very white

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Say what you will about Dang and their moderation style, but whatever is causing this thread to stay up for 7+ hours (and climb the front page) is very intriguing.

I wonder what the logic is for this 'flamewar bait' being unmoderated (is there anything more primed for a 'flamewar' than arguing about which cultures are mainstream and which are not?)

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I couldn't agree more. Why do you think politicians never explicitly pander to white people?

Nice try, but Republicans are doing a good job of that.

I have never heard a republican say something positive about white people. Can you give me an example? For the amount of dog whistling the GOP has done over the years the complete dearth of any explicit pandering to white Americans is actually shocking and deserving of a proper explanation.

Great explanation. Very proper. Much explanation. Thanks for the example /s

Arguments you cant argue against are not a “dishonest script” what does that even mean? Just give an example of what you say Republicans do a good job of.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Because no one needs to change the way they act around you. Christianity and Catholicism are strongly majority groups in the US. You were already treated as a Christian because that's what the majority of our society is based on.

> no one needs to change the way they act around you. This is only because Catholics and Christians often don’t mention when workplace behaviors make them uncomfortable. I’ve been in multiple situations where coworkers have used names of God as expletives or made jokes about things I consider holy. And if you’re a Catholic and “trad” and planning lunch with colleagues, things like “is it Friday” or “is it a Friday in…

The Orthodox Christian fasting rules are complex enough that people have occasionally assumed I'm vegan because I am roughly 1/2 the days of the year.

The other fun one is if you actually try and pray the hours and ask the same accommodations your Muslim colleagues receive so you can pray the office.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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> At no point in history have people created so much with so few channels for consuming their work. Most consumers get their content through a narrow straw — TikTok’s “For You” page, the first page of Google’s search results, Instagram’s explore tab, miscellaneous streaming sites, and so on. Many lifetimes worth of creation get aggressively filtered down into a (very optimized) stream of content.

Every person's TikTok feed is different, the first page of search results for every query is different, etc. Never have there been so many channels for consuming content.

In fact, the complaint I hear more often from people is that society has too many countercultures. Of course they don't call them that -- they call them "filter bubbles," "extremist groups," or more derogatory terms, but aren't they the same thing?

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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If you only consume mainstream media then you may personally live in a society which lacks a counterculture. You strike up a conversation with the girl picking mushrooms in the middle of nowhere or you go to an underground death metal concert or spend a bit of time on 4chan and you'll find countercultures alive and well that you're just not part of. If you think a sense of sameness pervades the creative world then yo…

The way you know 4chan is the counterculture is every time someone releases a new generative art tool, 4chan figures out a way to do stuff with it that makes the creators have to restrict and/or shut it down.

Like in the 1960s how the mainstream culture would whisper under their breath and point in shock and horror at hippies and try to get them banned from various public venues, and send mobs to beat them up, we have that same situation now, but instead 4chan is treated like that.

BTW, just because it's not your counterculture, doesn't mean it's not counterculture. You guys are looking at this all 60 years after the fact and saying that hippies were awesome. That's not what people thought at the time. 4chan is generally anti-ukraine war and anti-vax. 60 years from now they might look like the good guys.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not. Catholics make up 23% of the US population. How can wearing rosary beads be non-conformist when Catholics are the single largest denomination in America? An astonishing SIX Supreme Court justices are Catholic. Was there ever a time a countercultural group had that kind of representation in government? Were there ever six justices who were hippies, or beatniks, or hobos?…

Yes you are right that there are a lot of catholic people, we are talking about _culture_. How many TV shows, movies, or songs have come out in the last 10 years that featured Catholics in any way or catholic imagery, or even just general traditional values? Like maybe 1? How many TV shows, movies, and songs have come out featuring gay people or gay culture? A huge number. Compare this state to the 60's when the hipp…

You do realize there’s an entire TV network based out of Birmingham Alabama for all that stuff
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