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Re: Americans duped into losing $10B by illegal Indian call centres in 2022: report

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Post by tim333 » Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 6:34 PM UTC

patrec wrote: post #500

tim333 wrote: post #490

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We may be able to get good AIs to fight the bad AIs? I guess in this case something that pops up saying maybe call the grandson back?

It seems much easier to build an AI that helps less bright people to scam others than one that helps them to not get scammed. One needs to provide clear instructions for a single good scam when explicitly asked to do so, the other would need to provide good defenses to any number of scams and be more or less self-activated. There's also the matter of risks entailed by having large swathes of the population increasing…

At the moment online if I try going to a scam site / get scam email, Google tends to put up a warning which I imagine makes use of machine learning plus some other stuff.

Yeah for voice calls nothing yet though the likes of Google/Apple could probably do something. Against your point that bad AI is easier, you have that Google/Apple have more resources than the scammers.

Re: Americans duped into losing $10B by illegal Indian call centres in 2022: report

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Post by codezero » Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 5:54 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #438

codezero wrote: post #385

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Airbnb must be a hotbed for these sort of things. I had a friend in the 90s who would squat at unfinished or unoccupied homes while he ran fraud scams, renting an Airbnb seems much easier, since these scammers almost certainly rented it with a stolen identity.

A friend?

Lots of people do bad things, most bad people have friends, many of whom are either too naive or too lonely to be picky. He treated me well and taught me a lot about tech in the 90s. It was not easy to find mentors/like minded people (tech, not fraud) where I lived at the time, so the criminal aspect was regrettable. As an adult I look back and am so disappointed that he didn't do something legitimate, he was a top notch sysadmin, and was great with customers (I mean, that's how scams work) - he could have been much more enriched by going legit. He rightfully ended up in prison for about 14 years, maybe more? But yes, a friend.

Re: Americans duped into losing $10B by illegal Indian call centres in 2022: report

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Post by cuteboy19 » Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

dartharva wrote: post #483

I'm just gonna be that guy - just install Truecaller. It has been the singular line of defense against all scammers and spammers for most (almost all ) people in India and it works wonderfully. Scammers/spammers get routinely identified and blacklisted using crowdsourced information, and with terrific speed and prejudice. I do believe the reason most scammers have started focusing on foreign victims instead is becaus…

In America, the number you see on the call is not guaranteed to be the actual number that's calling you. In fact sometimes it doesn't show any number at all, just "Private number". It is a situation easily fixed by attestation but for whatever reason American carriers don't do that

Re: Americans duped into losing $10B by illegal Indian call centres in 2022: report

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Post by yati » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 11:32 AM UTC

I was thinking we could run what is being said in a call from an unknown number through a scam detector. The detector, upon noticing an established fingerprint of scam activity, would alert the caller.

There is Call Screen in the native Android Phone app that does this, but even better: it can take the call on your behalf, and warn you based on what the other party says. It is available in the US, but it seems only for Pixel devices?

https://support.google.com/phoneapp/answer/9118387?hl=en&ref...