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Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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Sadly even after dang has stated that conversations should be thoughtful, people are still posting provoking and low-quality disingenuous comments.

I don't even understand how a human being can get so invested in something they will never have control over, even more so now that Twitter is owned by a private person.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

#502

In the spirit of trying to be high-information and add value: Where Musk is going, there are no maps. So it's very very hard to project. But we can predict likely developments. At a very high level, it's going to involve: bringing back controversial personalities like Donald Trump; increasing Twitter's commitment to 'free speech'; assuaging skittish advertisers; retaining users who might be concerned, while bringing…

You forgot the bot cleanup.

I guess he has to pretend he cares about bots since he kicked up such a fuss about it, but I don’t think he’ll end up spending much energy on it

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with Musk's solar panel business is that it is more expensive and less effective than normal solar panels. They look nicer than normal panels, but to thrive off of solar you need as much efficiency as possible. Tesla panels don't provide that especially for the cost.

I live in Phoenix and a lot of people have been turned off on solar in general for their home because a lot of the companies are aggressive and shady. Seems like a missed opportunity for Tesla to have stepped in to be a "reliable" solar company simply by pricing competitively and not going out of business a year after installation.

That's one reason I did my own build myself. It's a pretty trivial matter for the average high-IQ HNer to spec, design, and build. The "hardest" part is understanding and adhering to the construction codes, and dealing with inspection bullshit.

Check out W&S in Flagstaff (https://www.solar-electric.com/) (no affiliation) for components.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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post #349

I always wonder: how much honesty is in him? For example, he stopped talking about the bot population on the platform altogether after he could not get out of the deal. Was he honest about this being a big issue in the first place? For me, it’s not easy to believe this because this bot issue appeared right after Twitter staff did not like his speech, and talks with the CEO fell apart. Am I mistaken about how it all p…

Every one of us has run into situations where choosing to be honest has materially cost us. You accidentally scratch a parked car on your way out. Do you stop and leave a note with contact info or not?

The richer you are, the more leverage you have and larger the material cost for these situations. A fellow rich friend gives you a little insider info that a stock you hold is about to crater. Do you sell some?

In other words, being honest is a tax, and the wealthier you are, the higher that tax rate. Given that, I think the only way to reach certain levels of wealth is by not paying that tax.

Therefore, I treat anyone at Musk's level of wealth as intrinsically untrustworthy. You don't get to be a billionaire by being a normal honest human. And if by miracle you should happen to, being a billionaire I think fundamentally changes your psychology such that you cease to be normal and honest. There may be exceptions, but I think they are exceedingly rare.

Billionaires are functionally a different species.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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post #11

I think the thing to watch will be ads and other revenue streams. Most companies aren't going to want their ads next to 'free for all' content, so we'll see what happens.

They'll go where the eyeballs are, this is capitalism, in the end. If Twitter manages to attract more eyeballs, the advertisers will come.

At least to advertisers, eyeballs are not all divided equally.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…

I mean, if you're a huge fan of him you'd probably stay. If you're not, you'd probably stay for the severance package, and do absolutely no work in the meantime. No company or recruiter will be holding the fact you were fired against you if/when you're swept away in the layoffs. If you genuinely like your job there and don't feel strongly about Musk either way, that's probably the toughest situation, and you should c…

I don't know about being a fan of the guy, he's pretty erratic, he's also done some cool stuff. But even if I was a huge fan of the guy, no way would I ever work for him.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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post #353

The reason why Musk eventually bought Twitter, when he did, and at the price he paid, was to avoid having to testify under oath in the lawsuit against him. He was going to be deposed, exposed, and in the end he was also going to lose and suffer the indignity of having to pay a high price for something he fiercely said he didn't want anymore. Better bite the bullet earlier than later. Now that doesn't explain why he w…

> If he can simply wait for Twitter to be worth as much as he paid for it, so that he can sell it again and cover his losses, that will be a fairly good outcome. This is a leveraged buyout. That means that $13 Billion was borrowed from Morgan Stanley to make this deal happen, and Twitter is the owner of that debt. Estimates are ~$1.3 Billion / year in interest payments (the most risky $3 Billion is unsecured loans, e…

Add $4B in existing long term debt to that $13B.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

#508

If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…

>"If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives."

Imagine already being a bit nervous about your future and then seeing that one of the first priorities of the new CEO was to show up to the office and parade around the lobby with a porcelain sink in his arms?

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

#509

If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…

If I worked at Twitter and I knew that I was actively contributing to the bottom line then I wouldn't be worried.

If my job was approving the work of the guy who approves the work of the guy who writes emails for a living, then I'd be looking elsewhere.

I think that's who Musk is going to be targeting with the layoffs.

These people know who they are.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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post #489

As for free speech vs censorship, a lot of people think in absolutes. It should be absolutely possible or impossible to say this thing. And this particular individual should be banned or not. What I think is far more important is the level of amplification. Currently, the most unhinged extremists from every political angle are massively amplified. They know exactly how to play the engagement game. Twitter rewards the…

> Twitter rewards the wrong thing. Those stoking controversy get the engagement

This is human nature, not Twitter. And I think that’s the problem - a neutral platform simply reproduces human nature, amplified.

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