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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by duckmysick »

systemvoltage wrote: post #413
novok wrote: post #372

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It's an american disease, maybe even californian. Go to many other cities in the rest of the world and they have denser, better cities with none of the literal shit. IMO I would barely call most of the bay a city, just a semi-dense suburb for the most part beyond a few pockets.

There are very specific criminal justice reform and soft-on-crime policies that lead to this. If you go to Tokyo, you'll be put in jail for doing drugs. Most likely extremely tough prison sentence of a decade or more. It prevents people from doing drugs and getting trapped in the spiraling destruction of self. Here in America, we have NYC and SF opening clinics to comfortably allow people to shoot heroine in the comf…

Aren't there similar clinics in Portugal? How are the crime and homelessness rates there?

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Post by fhsm »

icelancer wrote: post #254
dpe82 wrote: post #136

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Ditto. First time I reported it but never heard anything back from the police. Second time I didn't even bother.

This is how crime stats "not increasing" end up happening, because we don't report it since it's a waste of time. I'm not blaming you, I don't report 100% of the incidents I deal with in the inner-city of Seattle (something happens every quarter without fail), but unfortunately it depresses the actual crime rates that are occurring every day.

https://www.chicagomag.com/chicago-magazine/chicago-crime-st...

The best documentation of this I know of is from Chicago about 10 years ago. The above was the first article by the journalist I associate with it.

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Post by bribri »

bumped into someone holding a giant knife while opening the door to leave my apartment in soma.

Bike stolen in locked garage in locked bike cage with u lock. Usually take it in my apt, but stolen the one time I left it overnight.

Saw techies get shoved into fences on embarcadero

Wine bottle thrown across the store in Safeway. Saw things being stolen from Safeway ~25% the time I went shopping. Mentally Ill people perpetually wandering the store.

Saw many physical altercations between security guards in Walgreens many times. Saw someone being tackled then spitting in the Gaurd’s face while trying to be held down.

People following me while my parents were visiting shouting profanities

Seeing car break ins in the middle of the day.

Many scary situations

Lived there 9 years. Can confirm it got much worse in the past few years.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #286
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #168

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People really fail to grasp just how awesome the weather is.

San Diego weather is better.

If you’re without 20 minutes of the ocean that is! Once you go east of La Mesa the summer days are pretty warm and USA’s most expensive electricity rates become more painful

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Post by eloisius »

hotpotamus wrote: post #366
prvc wrote: post #106

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There are many societies in the world with more wealth inequality that also have low crime.

Which ones?

Singapore and Hong Kong, but they are probably exceptions for other reasons.

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Post by birdyrooster »

threatofrain wrote: post #453
systemvoltage wrote: post #413

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There are very specific criminal justice reform and soft-on-crime policies that lead to this. If you go to Tokyo, you'll be put in jail for doing drugs. Most likely extremely tough prison sentence of a decade or more. It prevents people from doing drugs and getting trapped in the spiraling destruction of self. Here in America, we have NYC and SF opening clinics to comfortably allow people to shoot heroine in the comf…

There’s a famous Bay Area town with no police dept, sizable population, somewhat wealthy, very low murder rate, amazing schools and no homelessness, and neither democrats or republicans have any meaning in local town politics. The nearby towns are similar. I wonder if it's possible to buy this in any other part of the country. Things are easier when you have a good start.

Probably Bentonville, Arkansas, I’m kidding mostly bc I don’t know if they have a police department but it’s sorta the same idea as Cupertino. Also I think Santa Clara fire fights and polices for them.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

jacobolus wrote: post #383
Spooky23 wrote: post #360

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NYC: > “Bragg said the office will stop prosecuting people for theft of services, trespassing (unless it accompanies a stalking charge), aggravated unlicensed operation, routine traffic violations not accompanied by felony charges, obstructing governmental administration, resisting arrest, and prostitution.“ https://gothamist.com/news/manhattan-da-bragg-tells-staff-st... The Manhattan DA subsequently claimed to roll…

> openly evading Subway fares Nobody has ever cared about this (nor should they, IMO; disclaimer: I have never lived in NYC). Occasionally journalists go to NYC to interview random residents about fare evasion, and the main response is a shrug. Frankly, we’d all be generally better off with free public transit. Governments end up paying most of the bill anyway, and increasing transit use would be a big benefit to tho…

If you don't crack down on free subway rides, next they'll be taking free books from the libraries, helping themselves to health checkups or worse expecting police to investigate their petty crime reports at no expense.

And who ends up paying for all that? That's right, the taxpayer.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #409
x86x87 wrote: post #274

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That's true. But cops also do not get to decide what they investigate based on their own beliefs and biases.

Cops are people. How well would you try to do your job after a few months of seeing your boss purposefully undo whatever work you did at the end of every day. How long would you keep actually coding if your boss just deleted all of your code every shift with no acknowledgment.

If my code was mostly harassing and extorting minorities and the the poor then I'd be glad my boss was deleting it and asking me to stop writing more of it.

What kind of sociopath would get job satisfaction from felony marijuana busts or harassing queer people trying to have a drink at a bar when you could be going after bigger fish?

Maybe the effective Altruism folk can do a law enforcement spin-off to grade the impact of different enforcement strategies in a way that more people would understand.

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Post by fakedang »

bombcar wrote: post #237
aabaker99 wrote: post #109

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I’ve been in Seattle for a mere 8 months and I’ve been robbed already.

Sounds like it’s time to setup the Anhk-Morpork thieves’ guild. https://wiki.lspace.org/Thieves%27_Guild

I would rather prefer the Elder Scrolls version of the Thieves Guild, which places importance on not harming your targets or other members of the guild, as well as emphasizing the need for stealth and skill over violence.
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