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Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by Macha »

kergonath wrote: post #436
biztos wrote: post #285

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> public schools such as Eton I always have to remind myself that an English "public school" is what most people call a private school. Per Wikipedia[0]: > "public" in the sense of being open to pupils irrespective of locality, denomination or paternal trade or profession. I emphatically agree that an emphasis on rhetoric will make smart people smarter. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom…

It’s the same “public” as in “public houses” (actually privately-owned premises) or “public companies” (publicly traded but still private interests). One more quirk of the English language.

The public in public houses presumably comes from the fact that they're open to the public to enter. There's obviously the implied need to buy something if you spend a length of time there, but compare to a private house (I.e. a residence) where the public does not by default have permission to enter.

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Post by lostlogin »

bb123 wrote: post #170
evgen wrote: post #114

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Technically speaking, King Charles III does not actually need to PM to ask in order to dismiss parliament and force a new election. Given that Charles I and Charles II both dismissed parliament maybe Charles III will grow a pair and do the same. It is somewhat ironic that while dismissing parliament caused the downfall of the monarchy for Charles I is it likely to buy a significant amount of time for the monarchy if…

I seriously doubt that interfering in politics would do the monarchy any favours whatsoever. Constitutional issues aside the intersection of conservative and royalist is famously large. Why would he piss off the people most likely to support him?

You make it sound like it isn’t happening all the time already. It’s been fairly well reported on and has been very beneficial to that family. See other links in this thread.

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Post by PaulHoule »

ycombigator wrote: post #479
PaulHoule wrote: post #433

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I've got three books about Thatcher I am reading right now. To interpret Thatcher you need to know about the labor unrest in the UK in the 1970s. Back then there seemed to always be a strike in some chokepoint industry (Coal mining, trucking) that threw the rest of the economy into chaos, almost like a general strike. This gets talked about it in this song https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Wish_I_Could_Fly_Like)_Superm.…

I grew up under Thatcher in 80s Britain (also 70's but too young to see it). Britain's problem with labour unrest was rooted in other problems. Ironically, one being a problem we are seeing again now - massive inflation. Yes, you can definitely 'solve' the problem of industry strikes by completely destroying the industry involved. That's one option.

Inflation always has an element of circularity in the explanations of it.

There's no doubt that workers would like to get a 10% raise in a year when there is 10% inflation. Since labor is a substantial input into the cost of services, it also seems like a plan to have at least 10% inflation next year.

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Post by rootusrootus »

Beltalowda wrote: post #116
bsenftner wrote: post #46

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Every time I think the USA is completely ruined, I remember how much worse the citizens of the UK have it. I remote worked for a London based CTO for years, with a science Phd, and to hear him discuss UK politics gave me an insight how effective propaganda and being immersed in a culture impacts one's judgement.

The UK and US systems share a lot of similarities, which is not surprising considering the history, but UK politics seems better (or rather, less bad ) to me? Both Boris and Truss were forced to resign by their own party, whereas the GOP's relationship with Trump is... well, different. Plus in spite of the first-past-the-post system there are actually candidates of alternative parties being voted in, even if we ignor…

> Boris and Truss were forced to resign by their own party, whereas the GOP's relationship with Trump is... well, different

Different in the sense that Trump remains extremely popular with Republican voters, independent of his actions. If Trump weren't so popular, his own party would have tossed him out long ago. They only grudgingly allowed him to become their leader in the first place because to oppose him meant almost certain defeat in their own next election.

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Post by panick21_ »

rootusrootus wrote: post #491
rayiner wrote: post #456

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Labour has nobody to blame but themselves. They walked the exact same path that democrats did in the US—abandoning their working class base in favor of college educated liberals. The error in that approach became clearer more quickly for them because they don’t have (as much) the added overlay of racial sectarianism to keep working class minorities voting for them.

Agree 100%. IMO abandoning the working class is by far the stupidest thing the Democratic Party has done in recent memory. And even now, as it should be becoming crystal clear, they still don't seem to have the ability for introspection. They keep thinking they should be winning handily, and on the merits this is a plausible argument, but they really have a hard time with culture. I find it very frustrating, because…

The problem is, with what platform are you gone capture those working class people. You can't just win on the rural working class. You need to convince deserve urban working and upper class citizens.

In the US, if you want to go after the rural working class then you better be talking correct about abortion and guns otherwise you will get nowhere.

Its really not easy to do.

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Post by rootusrootus »

speeder wrote: post #212
bsenftner wrote: post #46

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Every time I think the USA is completely ruined, I remember how much worse the citizens of the UK have it. I remote worked for a London based CTO for years, with a science Phd, and to hear him discuss UK politics gave me an insight how effective propaganda and being immersed in a culture impacts one's judgement.

I am from Brazil, at least you don't have "Electoral Judges" that will happily fuck with the elections and ignore constitution to make sure their preferred candidate win. The Electoral Judges in Brazil, are censoring actual facts, because despite being facts, they consider it "misinformation", it go so bad that a former supreme court judge of ours got censored for explaining something technical... Despite the fact ou…

> at least you don't have "Electoral Judges" that will happily fuck with the elections and ignore constitution to make sure their preferred candidate win

Lets revisit this observation in 2024 when the next US Presidential election is held. Many localities have been electing people to oversee their local election process who are 2020 deniers, and who supported overturning Biden's win in order to keep Trump in office. I think 2024 could be interesting.

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Post by PaulHoule »

lostlogin wrote: post #448
PaulHoule wrote: post #433

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I've got three books about Thatcher I am reading right now. To interpret Thatcher you need to know about the labor unrest in the UK in the 1970s. Back then there seemed to always be a strike in some chokepoint industry (Coal mining, trucking) that threw the rest of the economy into chaos, almost like a general strike. This gets talked about it in this song https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Wish_I_Could_Fly_Like)_Superm.…

> Barack Obama introduced almost universal healthcare Terms and conditions apply.

It's the American Way. Reduce the cost of social services, in the short term, by making them very difficult to apply for.

Once I heard Newt Gingrich talk vaguely that high deductible plans and health savings accounts (a core idea of Obamacare) would be a good "free market" solution but it strikes me as another one of those penny wise and pound foolish ideas.

If people don't buy the $200 a month Asthma inhaler which high deductible plans make them pay for themselves they might have 2 hospitalizations a year which cost $15,000 a piece... which high deductible plans will pay for. High deductible plans seem to be a way to maximize the costs of chronic disease like diabetes.

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Post by SilasX »

apexalpha wrote: post #299
ShredKazoo wrote: post #275

This might sound crazy... but if the UK is already de facto ruled by financial markets, in the sense that the PM has to step down if the markets don't like what they're doing, maybe it's time to try prediction market-based governance for real? What would've happened if instead of simply announcing the proposal, Truss had described the proposal and the government had sponsored a conditional prediction market on the ec…

This happens all the time. People close to any administration "leak" plans to the media to see how they land. Not good? Just deny it. Good? Guess we go ahead.

There's a term for it: Trial balloon, and Wikipedia lists "kite-flying" as what it's called in the UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_balloon

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Post by pacaro »

addicted wrote: post #419
mensetmanusman wrote: post #406

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They still have low class diversity so they had no idea how to combat brexit rhetoric.

Almost all the major Brexit leaders were upper class publicly educated twits. (Johnson, Rees Mogg, Farage).

The issue is the inability of the Remain leaders to speak to the population as a whole, especially those inclined to nativism

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Post by Lio »

alva wrote: post #399
Der_Einzige wrote: post #347

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And yet Americans still mog, and I mean badly mog, British at actual competitive debate. This is true both in their inferior form of "British Parliamentery debate" as well as the various American styles, such as Lincoln Douglas, Policy, or Public Forum.

Definitely. I mean check out some of the recent winners of the US National Debate Championships. https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8?t=34

I feel very old and very British watching that. I have no clue what they were saying.

We truly are two peoples separated by a common language.

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