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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

fullstop wrote: post #441
reaperducer wrote: post #439

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But if you're fleeing a hurricane, chances are you have the air conditioner on. It's generally hot and humid. You. Any have the windows open because of the rain, but you need the AC to keep the windshield clear. How does that affect battery use in an EV?

Tesla has "Camp Mode" which can regulate the temperature for nearly two days on a full charge. I don't have a Tesla, but maybe someone here does and can chime in.

You can idle a ICE car for maybe 16 hours easily with a half-tank, although this varies a lot [1]. With rationing your fuel, running for 10-30 minutes for every hour, you can maintain survivable temperature for at least double that (32 hours on half tank) to perhaps 96 hours, or 4 days. Double that for a full tank of gas.

If you want EVs to take over, get feature parity with the current technology.

[1] https://www.autotrader.ca/editorial/20190201/how-long-can-yo...

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

s5300 wrote: post #245
reaperducer wrote: post #197

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If people want to live in remote areas This is an easily solved problem. Just stop eating. Once you stop eating, then we don't have to have farmers and their remotely-located support communities growing food for you. For bonus points, stop using computers. Electronics are made up of all kinds of metals that are mined in remote locations. So, stop using electricity at all, if you're really concerned about this. And wh…

Lot of strawmans here.

The OP suggesting rural living is entirely to blame is a strawman and absurd, and was presented with no evidence that removing all rural areas would fix any problem.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

baq wrote: post #328
kwhitefoot wrote: post #303

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Do you have a new EV? My 2015 Model S 70D has a nominal range of 330 km and as far as i can tell it does pretty close to that unless I am running at high speed (110 km/h or more) or doing a lot of hill climbing. So I'm pretty sure that a newer EV, especially a lighter one or one with a larger battery and lower power motor would have a longer range. 140 km/h and above is not a normal highway speed in any country excep…

my vacation this year was 1500 km one way, at least 80% of which was done at 130km/h or more (both ways). i was one of very many doing a trip of this length judging by license plates at the destination.

So you were exceeding the speed limit almost all the way? My journey was a similar distance and only the German stretch had any roads with speed limit higher than 130 km/h. Perhaps next time I do it I should record the speed as I go. The average speed was probably about 60 km/h so the amount of driving above 130 must have been quite small, some of it was a lot faster than that though, just for fun on the autobahn.

And of course the vast bulk of traffic on the roads is very much slower. Also quite a lot of ICE cars are not built for sustained driving at high speeds anyway.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

badpun wrote: post #404
kwhitefoot wrote: post #303

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Do you have a new EV? My 2015 Model S 70D has a nominal range of 330 km and as far as i can tell it does pretty close to that unless I am running at high speed (110 km/h or more) or doing a lot of hill climbing. So I'm pretty sure that a newer EV, especially a lighter one or one with a larger battery and lower power motor would have a longer range. 140 km/h and above is not a normal highway speed in any country excep…

Poland has around 1200 km of motorways where the limit is 140 km/h.

Thanks, I misremembered it, I thought it was 130 km/h. But that still doesn't change the fact that most driving is at far lower speeds, even on the motorway.

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Post by fy20 »

jjav wrote: post #285
fy20 wrote: post #113

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More importantly, most of the places where people live in Norway are not actually that cold. In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010.

> not actually that cold > In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010. -20C is brutally cold, far colder than any coldest winter day I ever experienced while living in the northeast USA.

Where I live we usually have that for at least two weeks during winter, and the rest of the time hovering around -10C (for two to three months). We don't have much snow though, and little wind, so it's really not that bad if you are dressed properly.

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Post by s0rce »

sandworm101 wrote: post #70
DennisP wrote: post #36

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If you don't mind a super-aerodynamic lightweight three-wheeler, Aptera has a strong commitment to right-to-repair. They're making parts and manuals available to anyone. https://aptera.us/right-to-repair-commitment-feat-rich-rebui... https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/19/a-recent-aptera-video-g... They also get significantly more miles/kWh than most electrics, so the charging problem's easier.

>> If you don't mind a super-aerodynamic lightweight three-wheeler In other words: not a car. No crash protection. Three-wheeled "cars" are simply an excuse to avoid various safety rules. They are essentially enclosed motorcycles, to the extent that in some jurisdictions you may need a motorcycle license/helmet to drive them.

Maybe ok if everyone drove them, I'd seriously consider it for my sunny commute in Nevada and parking all day outside in the desert. Unfortunately, everyone else is driving a massively oversized pickup truck and I'd prefer not to be obliterated.

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Post by s0rce »

crooked-v wrote: post #10

I suspect it would be even faster if there was a charging option for the many people in cities with their cars in shared garages, even one as simple as just having a lot of 240V outlets. It feels like something that's rather overlooked at the moment.

Rental units also, the last 3 places I've rented have had driveways but no ability to charge an electric car, there just isn't enough incentive for landlords to install them yet, maybe if enough people start driving EVs people will significantly favor units with charging amenities but I can't find anything.

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Post by s0rce »

timbit42 wrote: post #476
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #95

The thing holding me back as a renter is that a lot of buildings still don't have any way for you to charge your EV. So unless you're into hunting for available public charging sites, you're SooL.

Offer to pay your landlord's cost to put one in for you. Eventually landlords will be falling over themselves to install chargers so their apartments will remain rentable.

That could be quite costly depending on the wiring locations in the unit and the total current capacity available. Personally as a renter in this situation I'd be pretty reluctant to pay for this unless its going to be saving me enough on gas to offset most of it. I guess if you really plan on a long term rental it might make more sense.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #98
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #90

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> Would anyone here allow their Tesla to discharge when parked, allow it to feed power back into the grid? I absolutely would, in fact it's a major reason I am not getting a Tesla and am instead opting for an EV that emphasizes its vehicle-to-home power capabilities (e.g. F150 Lightning and Lucid). I also know a ton of other Texans who feel the same way I do given our (deserved) lack of faith in our electric grid. Al…

But why involve your car? The logical thing to do is install a large lead-acid battery pack for the house, one which is dirt-cheap and won't suffer being charged/discharged. Lead acid batteries of a capacity equivalent to a Tesla can be had for a few hundred dollars. Lead-acids are also infinitely recyclable and don't involve the nasty/complex chemicals of lithiums. The ideal system would be to slowly charge the mass…

Because the point is the car already has a giant battery. A Tesla Powerwall has 13.5 kWh of storage, while a F150 Lightning battery has nearly 10 times that.

And yes, V2H power can increase wear on the battery, but my understanding is that large strides have been made (and certainly will be made) in reducing the wear impact on the battery.

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Post by ezfe »

jen20 wrote: post #168
ezfe wrote: post #28

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Internet connection ≠ EV. It just so happens many correlate, but many do not.

Is there an EV available which is not internet connected?

Something like a VW ID.4 is just as connected as any other VW.
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