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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by the_only_law »

arroz wrote: post #496
trasz wrote: post #402

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>what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds. Meanwhile with America running the show: entire regions - South America and Middle East - largely destroyed, with tens of millions of victims. America isn’t the “world police”, they are just the main bully.

How did the US destroy South America? And please don’t talk about military dictatorship that happened decades ago .-. Middle East has also been invaded by Europe and Russia China has been running concentration camps on middle eastern (for now the ones within their borders)

Ah yes, if it happened in the past it had no relvance today.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by simonsarris »

DrScientist wrote: post #493
srcreigh wrote: post #486

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Of course they don't get applied across the board. As much as TikTok is a US national security risk, Google/Meta massively gathering data about citizens of other countries is a US national security asset . The problem with privacy law is that some foreign powers won't abide by the laws. It's not unlike violence- a country can try to make a global law saying "Nobody is allowed to have a military", but if they actually…

> Google/Meta massively gathering data about citizens of other countries is a national security asset. Depends which nation you are in right? The world isn't split into two: US or China.

National security generally depends on which nation you are in or allied with, yes.

I wonder if, for instance, Google an Meta are banned in China.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by FpUser »

formerly_proven wrote: post #417
brimstedt wrote: post #391

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Easy to say, I know, but people like you should not leave. You should stay and make a change.

> When the war began, the population of Russia had become divided between those who supported this war, those who did not even care, and those who opposed to the war. I'll speak about first two categories later, so now's about the last one (so-called sensible people). > When the war began, some sensible Russian people had stated that they were ashamed to be a Russians. Others had stated that they were not responsible…

>"Collective responsibility is incurred when a persons have not done all measures within their power to avoid the situation in which the crime is committed on behalf of society of which these persons are a part."

Cut the crap. We are all part of a single society - people of the earth. Follow your logic we should be doing nothing else but trying to stop the world acting the way it does. The atrocities are everywhere. I would not be able to sleep and function at all if I've felt that "collective" responsibility. This is not how humans work.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by jliptzin »

jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

This is almost certainly Facebook just lobbying to get mindshare back from TikTok. It's great for the US government too, who probably already has unfettered access to everything Facebook collects on its users. If US users go to TikTok, Facebook loses money, and the US gov't loses easy access to all that sweet sweet data. So probably Facebook doesn't even have to lobby too hard for a statement like this to come out from the FCC. Whether or not it's true doesn't even really matter. Do you want your personal data flowing to the CCP or the US gov't & Facebook/Instagram? Both seem like really bad choices to me. The only good choice is not to use any of these services at all.

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Post by thematrixturtle »

trasz wrote: post #411
plonk wrote: post #312

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> Two out of those three countries have never invaded outside countries If you consider Taiwan a country, that's technically true but misleading. China would have invaded long ago if the US weren't capable or (claiming to be) willing to defend it.

[citation needed]. US claims that’s true, but everyone who remembers Iraq knows US loves a good lie. China, on the other hand, explicitly declares they won’t invade. China also doesn’t have much to gain by invading, and everything to lose.

Could you point us to China saying that? AFAIK China's policy is precisely the opposite: they've repeatedly made it very clear they will use military force if Taiwan ever proclaims independence.

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Post by neon_electro »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #345
markus_zhang wrote: post #319

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Sadly none of this is doable in the current version of capitalism (and in pretty much every country that is drinking from it). Corporation interests, especially those of large corporations, override pretty much everything else.

Please elaborate on what other "version of capitalism" is necessary. Hope we are not advocating that everything be owned by the state, as if that would allow more competition.

Please be more creative than your assumption that trying to do better than capitalism means everything becomes state-owned. Markets have value, capitalism is materially different from a market economy.

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Post by ethbr0 »

coliveira wrote: post #480
Msw242 wrote: post #378

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The world map has been mostly frozen the last few decades precisely because USA is the global hegemon and world police. Regional powers (which is what we would devolve to) are demonstrating exactly what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds. We don't have an interest in solving for all the world's ills…

If you think the world is stable as a result of the US, you should think again. It is exactly the contrary. The US itself is involved in wars since basically its foundation. The reason you say this is because you probably live in the US or one of its rich close alies. Everyone else will tell you that life under US hegemony means constant wars, coups, and political instability.

Could you give some examples? The US has certainly abused its power (notoriously, in the 60s and 70s at the height of the Cold War), but "constant" appears to be stretching historical fact to fit a narrative.

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Post by DrScientist »

moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

> so I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player.

Speaking as a friend - this attitude is becoming an existential problem for the US abroad. More and more countries are wondering if it's the US that's the problem.

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Post by sdfhdhjdw3 »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #489
tablespoon wrote: post #474

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> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

That's... not a great analogy. I trust my wife a lot more than I trust Mark Zuckerberg (or Xi Jinping).

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #500
thematrixturtle wrote: post #489

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That's... not a great analogy. I trust my wife a lot more than I trust Mark Zuckerberg (or Xi Jinping).

Yes but the United States government trusts Mark Zuckerberg more than Xi Jinping.

Isn’t it that they can get access to all of Facebooks data on request, but not so with TikTok? I doubt trust comes into it.
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