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Post by Guthur »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #498
Guthur wrote: post #485

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Please, stop this moral high ground rhetorical hypocrisy of the highest order. The US has had no qualms about invading countries or applying sanctions that harm innocent people. There are no good guys. People will all do terrible things for "the greater good", there is no worldly greater good from these soulless bureaucratic monoliths of state hood. They will set targets and strive for them irrespective of the human…

please, stop this moral equivalency rhetoric this is not the U.S. opposing russia, but the world - literally the majority of all countries the rest of your post is whataboutism that fails to justify russia's genocidal war of territorial conquest against Ukraine and Ukrainians, both of which russia believes should not exist, period the world hears russia's farcical pretexts of "denazification" and recognizes it as a c…

If everyone is so united in opposition why are they still buying the oil and gas (paying in Rubles)? If they're so together why did Turkey block Sweden and Finland joining Nato. If the unifying petrodollar still binds us all why is Saudi considering Yuan. If they had any sort of plan that would save Ukrainians why is it taking months to enact?

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #442
paganel wrote: post #322

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Again, the Russians have said as much what they want. What they understand by "multi-polar world" is the US (and its allies), Russia, China, maybe India, maybe some other regional thingie, like South America/Mercosur maybe (I think by this point they're already branding the EU under "US and its allies", that wasn't always the case, especially around 2003-2005 when Germany and France were against the US intervention i…

that sounds like both a bad idea, and an unrealistic idea, most of all because in that presentation russia considers itself an equal to the others in the list, which it most certainly is not, in nearly all respects in a more generalized sense, russia actually doesn't care about any of the countries listed but itself, except insofar as it can convince those countries to support russia the world is already multipolar,…

>”the world is already multipolar, as was pointed out – look to the UN for an example of how multiple poles interact with each other in a civilized fashion – nearly 200 of them!”

This isn’t what polarity refers to. The nations of the UN are not at all equal in terms of power and influence.

While no one would question that the United States, Russia, and China are the “poles” in this system, no one would regard any of the 190ish other nations which are far smaller and less powerful as poles.

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Post by swader999 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #348
filoleg wrote: post #263

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> If you think "liberal democracies" still carries the same positive vibe across the world that it used to some years ago you are in for a big surprise. I mean, I agree that it doesn't carry the same positive vibes that it used to, but it still carries much better vibes than "corrupt authoritarian semi-dictatorships". To those who might try going "muh western propaganda" on this, save your time. I am speaking as some…

Yeah, the gaslighting cracks me up. I too escaped a former Soviet bloc country that Russia invaded in exactly the same way it is invading Ukraine right now. I now live in one of those “horrible” western democracies where I can tell the Prime Minister that he’s an idiot to his face and the worst that’ll happen is that he’ll laugh at me in a dismissive way. But these countries are “all the same”, right? Right?

I live in one of those two. Six million are prevented from traveling by plane in mine at the moment.

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Post by woojoo666 »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #472
woojoo666 wrote: post #424

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I don't see them selling anything, just a Patreon and some referral links. If that's considered some dark ulterior motive, then you also wouldn't be able to trust most youtubers (Veritasium, CPG Grey, MinutePhysics, etc)

not to speak of individuals like those listed, but you cannot, in fact, trust most youtubers the vast majority of them have no independent editorial team with a track record of credibility

I'm well aware of the general quality (or lack thereof) on Youtube, but that's why I gave a few examples of good Youtubers that also use patreon/referral links. Point being, I don't see a good reason to specifically call out iceagefarmer for having vested interest in saying what they say

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

Guthur wrote: post #501
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #498

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please, stop this moral equivalency rhetoric this is not the U.S. opposing russia, but the world - literally the majority of all countries the rest of your post is whataboutism that fails to justify russia's genocidal war of territorial conquest against Ukraine and Ukrainians, both of which russia believes should not exist, period the world hears russia's farcical pretexts of "denazification" and recognizes it as a c…

If everyone is so united in opposition why are they still buying the oil and gas (paying in Rubles)? If they're so together why did Turkey block Sweden and Finland joining Nato. If the unifying petrodollar still binds us all why is Saudi considering Yuan. If they had any sort of plan that would save Ukrainians why is it taking months to enact?

>If everyone is so united in opposition why are they still buying the oil and gas (paying in Rubles)?

Are you asking this in good faith, as in, you do not know, and wish to learn?

Or did you mean to say, "I think that a majority of countries are not united in opposition to russia, and I submit as evidence that russian energy sales are not zero" ?

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Post by closedloop129 »

lenkite wrote: post #450
pvarangot wrote: post #386

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Soooooooo "Roughage Products" which is fiber, that humans also need to eat BTW, is usually something like 25% of pelleted food. The main ingredient in pelleted food is usually digestible by humans and between 6% to 15% protein, it's like 25% to 30% depending on the pelleted food. Pound by pound going by the estimates that "eat cow advocates" use you need 12 pounds of food per pound of beef produced, if half of that i…

"main ingredient in pelleted food is usually digestible by humans" You would truly need to be starving from famine or an "Instagram Go-Green Promoter" to eat this.

>You would truly need to be starving

That's what the debate is about.

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Post by kylebenzle »

lenkite wrote: post #450
pvarangot wrote: post #386

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Soooooooo "Roughage Products" which is fiber, that humans also need to eat BTW, is usually something like 25% of pelleted food. The main ingredient in pelleted food is usually digestible by humans and between 6% to 15% protein, it's like 25% to 30% depending on the pelleted food. Pound by pound going by the estimates that "eat cow advocates" use you need 12 pounds of food per pound of beef produced, if half of that i…

"main ingredient in pelleted food is usually digestible by humans" You would truly need to be starving from famine or an "Instagram Go-Green Promoter" to eat this.

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Post by dboreham »

toolz wrote: post #241
gcheong wrote: post #108

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What was she griping about with the garden? Chickens I can understand if there are smell complaints. In San Francisco you are allowed to keep them but there are rules about the number you can have and the minimum distance their enclosure can be to any neighbors window, etc. But squash? That’s really an odd thing to complain about.

backyard chickens don't have a smell, that's only once you start mass producing them in a factory. The same way yours or your neighbors dogs, that produce substantially more feces than a chicken, don't cause neighborhood wide odor.

The ones my neighbor keeps smell terrible. Perhaps he doesn't clean their enclosure though.

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Post by swader999 »

Scoundreller wrote: post #346
vorpalhex wrote: post #228

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You don't need 2k calories a day in an emergency. You can survive on 1200-1500 calories a day. I still don't advise going in 100% on rice as beri-beri is an issue (or heavy metal issues if you go all brown rice). A good mix of canned goods, dried goods and reliable water will help. Even in a shortage you will probably have some access, but limited access. I strongly advise against bottled water for emergencies. It is…

Speak for yourself! I’m biking distance from a lake, so I’m going to focus on having enough bleach around. Bottled water is great… for bottles to do solar disinfection with. Though I guess I should really be worried about an algal bloom… ugh. 220gal IBCs should be $100 too, but maybe they’re more now.

Bleach degrades fast though. Look into pool shock and know how to make bleach from it.

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Post by swader999 »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #307
corrral wrote: post #175

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Rice will be full of pest insect eggs. They'll hatch after a while (smallish count of months, likely). You've got to freeze it (to kill the eggs) and then seal it (to keep more pests from getting in) and/or add stuff that'll kill anything that hatches very fast (IIRC diatomaceous earth is popular for this) Other grains have similar pest problems, plus if it's wheat or similar and ground into flour (not e.g. whole whe…

What are you talking about? I've kept bags of rice for years without any issues.

He's quoting the best way to store it. You want it in mouse and moisture proof containers too.
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