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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by loosescrews »

pedrocr wrote: post #370
csdvrx wrote: post #295

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> Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux. And the X1 Fold is a technical marvel (working on Linux support right now, if I'm successful it may become my next toy device to try to use Linux on as a daily driver) > Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just…

> Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux. The features are great but my complaint was about quality control. My T460s has had every single part but the chassis replaced, some multiple times, and still failed. A new T14s had to have the keyboard replaced because it randomly missed keystrokes. It then started having the screen randomly start flickering after resume. A new X1, top of the…

I have had similar experiences with the X1 Extreme. The biggest issue I have had is that the repair process almost always breaks something new. The first one spent so much time getting repaired that I actually bought a second one so that I could at least have one functional laptop. The second one is a newer generation, but the quality issues are similar.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by evil-olive »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #399
acomjean wrote: post #335

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When I was at IBM I had a mouse with a trackpoint for scrolling. It was pretty great. I miss being able to move and scroll at variable speeds. https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollection/detail.aspx?id=12... and a paper: https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollection/a/pdf/Zhai%20scro...

It's not the same, but the Logitech MX Master is basically the current version of this. It has two scrollwheels, one for vertical and one for horizontal. They have some interesting tech in them. When moved slowly they click with detents, like normal scrollwheels. But when you move the wheels more quickly they "unlock" to spin freely, you can scroll at a pretty high speed and with good accuracy.

here [0] is a teardown of the current generation compared to the previous, to show how much design and attention to detail goes in to them.

I was an MX Master 2 user for years, and bought a 3, along with an MX Keys [1] at the beginning of covid WFH. still going strong 2 years later, and I would buy both again in a heartbeat.

0: https://blog.bolt.io/logitech-mx-master-3-vs-2s/

1: https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/mx-keys-wi...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by evil-olive »

beAbU wrote: post #453
jjeaff wrote: post #429

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Do the scroll wheels have "weight" to them? In other words, can you give it a good spin and let it keep spinning on its own momentum?

Yes. I have the previous gen Master MX. The scroll wheel is a solid metal flywheel. It has serious heft and continues spinning maybe 5-10 seconds after a good flick. On mine, the horizontal wheel does not have this feature. Maybe the newer model does. And like another poster mentioned, it has a detent when scrolling slowly like a traditional scrollwheel, that then mechanically disengages when flicked fast enough. You…

> On mine, the horizontal wheel does not have this feature. Maybe the newer model does.

I have both the current model and the older one. the horizontal wheel has been improved a bit - it's larger, and they moved the side buttons so that it's harder to hit them accidentally when scrolling horizontally (see this [0] comparison pic from a teardown [1] that I also linked elsewhere in this thread)

but the "shifting" feature is still only for the main scrollwheel, not the horizontal one. in practice I've never found myself using horizontal scroll often enough to wish it had the same "flick" capability.

0: https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/side.png

1: https://blog.bolt.io/logitech-mx-master-3-vs-2s/

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by morganvachon »

jerryzh wrote: post #491
doyougnu wrote: post #340

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

To be fair when MacBook move to typec one can charge on both sides for many years, and I kind of look forward to a future when all port use typec But when it comes to inside Mac by no mean compares to framework

Except the M1 Air and 13 inch M1 Pro reverted to left side only (the new models with M1 Pro/Max chips have an extra USB-C on the opposite side). It's my only real gripe with the M1 laptops compared to older Intel Macs.

Of course, the Framework is the polar opposite of the M1 Macs' locked down "appliance" feel. I'm enjoying the progress being made with OpenBSD and Asahi Linux on the M1 platform, but the hardware itself remains impossible to upgrade or repair for mere mortals. The Framework is the pinnacle of truly owning your laptop while not sacrificing speed and a crowd pleasing design.

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Post by hit8run »

jason0597 wrote: post #246
hit8run wrote: post #231

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1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

Wait until you see what hardware the OpenBSD developers use... are you going to claim that they aren't professionals? https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20120425065148 https://www.undeadly.org/features/2012/r2k12/P1020598.JPG

These images are from 2012... That was 10 years ago. lol

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by dntrkv »

cowtools wrote: post #276
arinlen wrote: post #236

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> I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. 1080p doesn't mean much if you leave out the screen's pixel density. There's a world of difference between a smartphone with a 5' 1080p screen and a 24' monitor with a 1080p screen.

That's a good point. But distance also plays a factor. Perhaps we should be measuring in pixels per degree at the viewing distance.

That's actually what the term "retina" means (in Apple marketing lingo). It's the required pixel density, at different viewing distances, where you no longer see the pixels. Retina PPI for Macbooks is different compared to iPhones.

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Post by infogulch »

nrp wrote: post #23
CarVac wrote: post #15

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Is there any way a hobbyist can make a custom one that would fit?

You can certainly try! Realistically it would probably need to be CNCed from aluminum, as plastic that thin wouldn't be sufficiently rigid.

Are the external dimensions and body interface points of the keyboard assembly published anywhere?

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Post by hit8run »

cowtools wrote: post #269
hit8run wrote: post #231

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1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

I am not a professional, I am just a student. Edit: If I was an artist or something I might care about resolution or color accuracy.

Finish your studies and then you will get the chance to use better hardware :)

Color accuracy is super important to me whenever I need to design something on the frontend side of things. High resolution is important too because I'm working with my screens. That means that I stare many hours per day in the display. Life is too short for shitty hardware and most professionals in our industry or their companies can definitely afford it.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by jameshart »

nrp wrote: post #481
jameshart wrote: post #368

Ohhhhh that's why there was a spate of projects posted last week about building computers based on framework mainboards - submarine marketing for this framework upgrade launch. Figured it was framework behind it somehow, but the fact that it's to promote the 'here are some ways to use your old mainboard once you upgrade' angle makes a ton of sense.

It's somewhat less nefarious than that. Before we announced the availability of a new Mainboard that existing Framework Laptop users can upgrade to, we wanted to make sure that there were interesting ways for people to re-use their old ones. When we sent out hardware to some creators, we told them we would appreciate it if they posted their projects by X date, leading to them clustering just before that date.

Didn’t mean to come across as accusatory - on the contrary, it’s smart marketing and totally in keeping with the brand values.
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